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- best friend January 2017
- Denalidom January 2017
- MoonAcre Stables January 2017
- Mystic rose January 2017
- SandycreekFarm January 2017
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Is she DP?
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Hello, I bred this filly yesterday from the pasture and just wondered if she is DP? I still don't understand the gene much but I know it produces darker colours, she is also a liver chestnut. Thanks
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If the gene test named her a Liver Chestnut, then she definitely has DP. From looking at her, I would say that she is homozygous for both Ssty and DP.
Congratulations.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
Yep. Any horse that has "liver" or "chocolate" in their color test carries DP.
As Sandy said I would say shes homozygousThanked by 1Mystic rose -
A short discussion of DP and Sooty, the darkening genes.
There are two genes that darken horses' coats. Sooty (Ssty) and Dense Pheomelanin (DP). Sooty works by mixing black hair into the coat from the top down. Dense Pheomelanin works by increasing the red pigment in the hair, making it darker than it would otherwise be.
Sooty is a normal, complete dominant gene. If a horse has one copy of it, it will show. DP is more subtle.
In Chestnut horses, it takes 3 copies of darkening genes to make a Liver Chestnut. A horse can inherit two copies of Ssty (1 from each parent) and one DP, or 1 copy of Ssty and two of DP. In the game, horses that are homozygous for both like your filly, appear black.
Horses of any base color can be carrying DP. There is no special name for horses with other base coats that have three copies of the darkening gene. It can be a bit harder to see in Bays, and has no effect on black horses, because they have no red pigment in their hair. Chestnut horses with dilution genes will also show the effect of DP. You can find Liver Red Duns, in the game, for instance. A palomino horse that inherits three copies of the darkening genes will be a Chocolate Palomino. One that inherits four copies will be very dark indeed.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592Thanked by 1Mystic rose -
@Sandy - not to be nitpicky at all, but Sooty is an incomplete dominant. One copy darkens the horse, two copies darkens the horse even more. Cream works the same way. Agouti is a complete dominant - a horse with one copy looks just like a horse with two copies. Again, not trying to be obnoxious just want the terminology to be consistent.
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Thanks, Denalidom, for that correction. I hadn't remembered that homozygous Ssty was darker than heterozygous Ssty. I appreciate all the help I can get in mastering the ins and outs of all the color genes.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
Liver with SstySsty DpDp:
Licorice Root DP 2g
Liver with SstySstyDpdp:
Quasi DP 2g
Liver with SstS DpDp (Notice he looks the same as a SstySsty Dpdp):
Candied Logic SF 2g
Chestnut with SstySsty dpdp (No DP):
Sepioteuthis lessoni
Chestnut with SstS dpdp:
Rachelle F
Chestnut with SS dpdp:
Dasyurus maculatus
Chocolate that's almost certainly SstySsty DpDp:
615320
Chocolate withSstySsty Dpdp:
Chocolate Diamond RS
Palomino with SstySsty dpdp (No DP):
Sangiria
Palomino with SstS dpdp:
Gold Coins Ax 2g
Palomino with SS dpdp:
645660 -
Wow, this is exciting , she is the darkest liver chestnut I've bred on the game , thanks everyone :) :x