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strawroan · Oct 23, 2018 4:45 PM

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Just as the title says. She has a copy of At, so why is she bay instead of brown?

NxtLevelGlen · Oct 23, 2018 4:46 PM

A is dominant over At, so her color is bay instead of brown (I believe?)

Lallyhop · Oct 23, 2018 4:51 PM

Yep! The dominance goes A+ -> A -> At -> a

That means if a horse has a copy of A+ (wild bay) and A (regular bay), they would be a wild bay. If they have A and At, they would be a regular bay.

In order to get a brown, you need At with either At or a. (Though keep in mind AtAt looks slightly different from Ata, as well.)

FallenShadows714 · Oct 23, 2018 4:55 PM

Don’t they also need at least one copy of sooty to be called brown? Maybe I misunderstood what I read, but I thought I read that somewhere

NxtLevelGlen · Oct 23, 2018 5:16 PM

Dont need sooty to be brown:

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Lallyhop · Oct 23, 2018 5:22 PM

Ooh, good question. That's the tricky thing. You are correct, with a single caveat. When hom brown, they require a copy of sooty to be called brown.

Here's the rundown:

Non-sooty het brown - "brown"

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Non-sooty hom brown - "bay"

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Het sooty het brown - "brown"

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Het sooty hom brown - "brown"

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Hom sooty het brown - "brown"

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Hom sooty hom brown - "brown"

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NxtLevelGlen · Oct 23, 2018 5:25 PM

Oh very cool!

strawroan · Oct 23, 2018 5:29 PM

Ahhhhh I understand, thanks! Brown is trickier to breed for than I had thought!

Dinascar · Oct 24, 2018 5:37 PM

Yes - I remember Ammit saying they need to look brown (hence the hom brown needing at least one sooty). I suspect a copy of DP could do instead of a sooty - I will check :)

Dinascar · Oct 24, 2018 5:41 PM

Yes - there are horses without sooty or sooty+ who are called brown - they will have DP
eg.

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HollowbetheInk · Oct 24, 2018 10:20 PM

K, so I've been adding At in prefrance over A, but to get where I want I need to weed out A+ as well, and look for colts that are DP or sty heavy... I swear one of these days I'm dropping w20 from my ok list. *wanders off to see how many mares that would affect.*

Dinascar · Oct 25, 2018 10:17 PM

Lol - my breeding herd first had all the A and A+ weeded out and has just had all the S weeded out. W20 is another on my list of not so great genes - mainly because a lot of my herd have w10 and w10 and w20 just come out white!
If you need help with sooty/DP browns I have a few studs... I don't need them all
eg.

2G DP2878811

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