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  • I've done a few comparison testing and I've got one that says basically "as good as", one says, dad is worse then son, and then one says, son is superior to dad. The one that says worse then dad, to me, means that the son is bad but dad is even badder.....:/
    Need translation, lol
  • If the one says worse than then the one that is on the right is better than the one on the left. Son is worse than sire. It means just that and I would geld that son. Sire is better.
    The AGA son is just that he is as good as his sire. If you have a son that is superior to sire then I would also geld the AGA son so that way you know your lines are improving.
  • This is what is says: "VS Star Struck is worse than Star of Onyx 2". VS Star Struck is the sire. This tells me that the foal is not so good, but dad is worse. ... the other foal tested says AGA.
  • I think you are inferring more than is there. It just says that the sire is not as good as the son, nothing about the son's quality. I bet if you tested Onyx vs Star it would say "Star of Onyx 2 is superior to VS Star Struck"
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  • I agree with Seldom. You should always put the babies first to get an accurate comparison as to their quality.
  • There are only 3 possible responses from the comparison test:
    Stallion A is worse than Stallion B
    Stallion A is about as good as Stallion B
    Stallion A is superior to Stallion B

    Putting the sire first and getting "sire is worse than son" means the same as putting the son first and getting "son is superior to sire." It does not mean that the sire is bad, just that the son is better.
    I was jllewis on the old forum.

    Stable ID 88
  • That makes sense. Wish it would hint on that on the comparison page. That's how I will do it for now on. I'm a word person. ..how words are used in a sentence....and that sentence had me going, lol. But it did leave the door wide open on the quality of the foal, but I'm a freak about literalism, drives my son nuts, lol
    Thank you!
  • There is absolutely no reason to put the baby first. Second gives you identical information.
  • Very true, Ammit.

    However, I have found that putting the sire on the right side of the test and the son on the left, habitually, makes it easier to know at a glance which generation horse is better. I also use the same placement when comparing colts of the same generation. Once I get a colt that's superior to his sire, he gets moved to the right side, and any brothers tested against him are put on the left.

    I could put the horse others are compared to on the left just as easily, but I've found that consistency of location makes it easier to keep track of the results.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
  • That sounds like a lot of testing and $. I had a hard time remembering what Stallion had what AGA or Superior To, lol (getting older doesn't play fair). So what is done with all the Colts with thier various outcomes? Do you geld everyone but superiors? What if you have several superiors? Got lots to learn ;) do you replace the sire (like geld or sell him?) :-/
  • I copy and paste the results in the notes section of each foal. I also geld anyone who is not Superior. That way if I go looking through my show horses I know why that particular horse was altered.
  • I have been copying and pasting otherwise I'd be in a lot of trouble.
    So, do you still keep and use the sire or sell/geld? Or do you keep using him in hopes of getting a super superior, lol. Too many horses and the OCD gets a little squirrelly, and I lose focus, lol I gots to keep it simple :)
  • @Robin--

    I ALWAYS mark down Superior/AGA if I'm keeping a stallion intact. If they are getting snipped, they just get snipped.

    If I'm comparing a batch of foals at once, I tend to write down a list of them on a piece of paper and then just mark Inf/AGA/Sup next to the colt's name so that I'm not switching between lots of pages. Then once I'm done with that batch I go through and geld/make notes as is appropriate.

    I tend to breed all of my generations continuously, but if I have a stallion that is consistently not producing well, or if I can source a better stallion for a line, I will snip the old one and add a new one. Other than that, I will snip colts as I get better ones for their lines. So, for instance, right now I have A papered gen 2 colts from my KP line but not from my Macchiato line (both have B sires). I'm holding onto a few colts from my Macchiato line but my hope is that I will get some As next season, in which case my Bs will all get snipped.

    Plus, if I have a stallion throwing really really good colts (for instance, a perfect Foundation stallion throwing B colts that are AGA A gen 2 colts) then I have reason to believe that the best of his fillies are similarly "super superior". You always need more extra awesome fillies in your herd. Your mare quality will always lag behind your colt quality because you can't compare mares until you can compare AFPT.

    If you're having difficulty with focus, I would highly recommend that you do three things:

    1) focus on building your show herd above all else right now. Pour your game cash into IVs for new barns and fill those barns with high PT show ponies. Doing this now will set you up with a show bonus that can fund all of your breeding and testing in the future.

    2) find a pattern or color or combination thereof that you really love. Focus on breeding for this sort of horse. If you love silver black rabicano, go through your herd and throw everything that cannot get you towards that goal into a show pony breeding program, not a progressive generational program.

    3) everyone has to come up with a way to keep track of what they are breeding and how they are doing. Some people keep notebooks, some keep spreadsheets, some make notes on mare pages...but pretty much all of us write stuff down in some form. Find a system that works for you and stick to it.
  • This season I went to the search page for my horses and printed all of the pages or my horses and cut it out into strips. That way I had a picture and all of their information for each horse right there. Then on the back of each I could make notes such as which pairing led to the best foals.
  • Good suggestions/ideas! Thank you! Gotta set some goals up. Just sold a lot of my horses as I was feeling a little scattered. Will hoard the hb and save for another barn or two and then start filling up with show ponies.

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