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Ranking Stallions within Paper Level?
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Hello everyone!
I was hoping you could provide some clarity. I've head people rank their studs as being, for example a "high A" or a "low B" or a "mid C". How do you determine where within a paper grade a stallion is? I would imagine AFPT can help you (compare to the paper grade above and below your stallion) and I'm sure comparison testing can help. Is there more to it than that?
Also what process do you personally go through when determining this?
Thank you in advance for your help!Red Rock Ranch
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Comparison testing to a known stallion. This is the only way I know to do this.
So, for instance, if you have an A papered gen 2 from an Exceptional line, I know that he's a low A from my personal experience. If you test your B papered Gen 2 colts from regular lines against that A colt, you will get some that test As Good As that A. So you know they're nice, high Bs. You will have colts that test Inferior to your A colt but Superior to their C dads....they're probably Mid-B. And then you will get B colts that test AGA their C dads...they're low Bs. -
I'm going to try but to be honest It's a little confusing for me so hopefully I can make this simple. First AFPT has nothing to do with paper level. PT is strictly showing and paper level is strictly breeding. I'm not sure at what level that becomes available but I know the free accounts you can not paper and I know the premium account can and I'm unsure about the basic. Another test that can be done at premium, not sure about basic, is comparison testing. This test allows you to compare stallions to each other. This is where people are getting their "high A", "low B", or "mid C" from. A good example is I have a 2nd generation A stallion. I know he's a low A papered because I have a few B papered boys who compare "as good as" him. I know that any boy who doesn't compare AGA must be low to mid B papered.
Hopefully I made some since lol.Thanked by 1RedRockRanch -
Free accounts cannot paper horses, basic account and up can.
Comparison test is available across the board it's just half price for premium members. (8000hbs for free and basic, 4000 hbs for premium)
Just to put it here, Strict Breeding Advice is a premium upgrade feature.
But to second fj1482, AFPT is not a reliable method of determining a horses breeding worth. I actually sat down and analyzed the numbers of various horses and the disparity between AFPT and Paper level was staggering. It's actually what convinced me to spring for the basic upgrade.
But Is there a way to determine this without emptying your account via Comparison Testing? I have a ton of stallions and an empty HBS account that could benefit from this information.
Be not afraid to ask questions. You're not the only idiot in the room.
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Since every horse's breeding ability percentage has the potential of passing on a fairly wide range of breeding and showing abilities to its foals, making judgements based on the Average Foal PT of a small number of foals would tend to coming to faulty conclusions about the stallion's or mare's relative ability.
For stallions, I have found that Comparison Testing is the best way to compare the abilities of stallions with the same paper level.
Here's a little story about how the rankings High B, Low A, Medium B or A and so forth come about. The same thing happens for the *Star stallions, with a lot more divisions.
In the course of breeding the same C papered foundation stallion to numerous mares, I have often observed the following pattern in his B papered sons.
1. I get a B papered son that tests about as good as his C papered sire. This colt I will generally snip, unless he carries a gene I really want, in which case I will keep him intact until a better B papered brother comes along. Let's call him B-1, a very low B.
2. I get a B papered son that tests superior to his C papered sire. He will remain intact, and I will now compare his brothers to him, rather than to their sire. This colt is B-2, a medium B.
3. While comparing other B papered sons to B-2, I may happen on one that tests superior to this benchmark among the brothers. At this point, I geld the previous colts that I had left intact, because I now have a B papered colt that is superior to all of the previously tested ones. The new benchmark is B-3, a high medium B.
4. Sometimes, I will, perhaps in later years, happen on a B papered colt that is superior to B-3. Once again, I snip B-3 and all the brothers that were about as good as him, keeping B-4 as my benchmark for the 2nd gen stallions of this line. B-4 is a high B, approaching A papering range, most likely.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
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also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592Thanked by 1Kinetic -
First AFPT has nothing to do with paper level. PT is strictly showing and paper level is strictly breeding
AFPT is exactly a concrete expression of what paper level is telling you. You are mixing up foal PT with the parents PT.
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http://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/3/how-to-get-help-from-an-administratorThanked by 1Cheers -
Ammit, do you mean PT for the first sentence?
As in "First PT has nothing to do with paper level. PT is strictly showing and paper level is strictly breeding."
Otherwise, "First AFPT has nothing to do with paper level" and "AFPT is exactly a concrete expression of what paper level is telling you" are contradicting each other.