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Maybe she's 109.999 and it just rounded up? I've got no real clue though...

Yeh she's medium white factor so more at the 91 end I'd guess seeing she has some colour

Double post. Sorry.

8-X ponies! Lmfao

I wonder if anyone has a foal that's pure white from kit genes that's surprisingly still alive I bred a foal with two parents having frame and the foal was born not dead and without frame but it was not pure white

Frame doesn't generally add white to a horse, it rearranges where the pigmented and white hairs grow. It pushes the pigmented hairs toward the top and the bottom of the horse's neck and torso, giving the effect of a frame around the white patches, hence the name Frame. You can have a horse with high white stockings and Frame, but if it doesn't have one of the Kit white or sabino mutations or splash mutations, there will be little or no sign that the horse carries it. It will somewhat reduce the white spotting of tobiano, although this is so subtle that it's not particularly noticeable. It's fairly easy to breed a heterozgous frame horse with no white factor so that it totally is hidden, except by a gene test.

In real life, Frame is a mutation of the gene that, for one thing, controls the development of the digestive system in a foal while it is still in the uterus. When the gene is homozygous, the foal is born all white, but it's digestive tract is incomplete and it will die very shortly after birth from impaction colic. This is why Frame is also called Lethal White Overo and is designated on the game's color charts as Olw (Overo, lethal white).

@Sandy, IRL frame will not make the tobiano express less, in fact it tends to boost white. Tobiano/frame individuals tend to have more and jagged markings, and some neat facial markings are pretty common. Frame on it's own can be as minimal as zero/low white, or it can also put belly patches, it also likes to move horizontally across the body. Frame likes to leave the legs solid, so if you see a frame overo with stockings it likely has splash. LWO foals are also not always all white, and commonly have colored ears and tails.

As far as I knew, according to sources like eauine tapestry, most kit genes aren't lethal, even when mixed. So maybe it's my own misunderstanding but I've never read anywhere about "broken" genes and mixing kit mutations being embryonic lethal, it lethal at all. SW2 was thought to be lethal but there has been a homozygous SW2 horse found.