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Silver is hidden in red based horses and only expresses on horses that have at least one extension gene (Ee or ee). Horses that are red based (ee) like chestnuts or palominos can have silver but it doesn't show on their image or show up in the name.

Any horse with at least one agouti gene, at least one extension gene, and one copy of cream are referred to as buckskin, unless they have other modifying genes like Gray or Champagne. We don't have color names like Bay Buckskin, Wild Bay Buckskin, or Brown Buckskin; they are all just buckskin.

In order for a horse to express Pearl, it must be either hom Pearl or het Pearl het cream. Just one copy of Pearl is not enough to make a horse Pearl.

Your choc pal is also hom for DP. :)

And the mare with one copy of brown also has one copy of bay. Bay is dominant over brown so horses like your mare are referred to as bay and not brown. Wild Bay (A+) is the most dominant, then Bay (A), then Brown (At). The more dominant ones remove more pigment from a horse which is why horses with Wild Bay don't have black on their legs like ordinary Bay and Brown horses do.

The bay is a bay. For it to be a Brown, it needs to be E? aAt for Het Brown, or AtAt to be homozygous brown. But they also need to be StySty. She has the sty genes, but her agouti is AAt, so she is a bay. It would need to be changed to aAt or AtAt, and she will be brown. Some browns will show up as brown with SS instead of StySty, or as StyS, and if they do, then they also have a Dp gene (which is not testable on the gene test), because they must have 2 darkening genes along with aAt to be brown.

As they said above, Silver only shows on horses that are E?, not ee, which the Chocolate pali is.

The buckskin has the A+ gene which makes her wild bay based, though wild is never listed in the names. But you can tell she has the gene, because she doesn't have the black stockings a bay or a buckskin would have normally. That is what the A+ gene does.

For Pearl to show up in their name, they either must be Homozygous Pearl, or have Pearl and Cr (PrlCr). If they just have Pearl and C (PrlC), it will not show.

Before At and A+ were introduced, a horse had to have dominant Agouti and two darkening genes. I don't believe that they have to have those darkening genes any longer to be brown.

Unless someone has created a homozygous DP chestnut spontaneously (I've created heterozygous DP Liver Chestnuts, but I don't recall a homozygous DP foundation liver), then I would hesitate to assume that there is always hidden DP when a A+a SS horse has Brown in its color name. At's effect is to move less black pigment to the points, so that more of it remains in the base coat. This is why homozygous AtAt browns are lighter than Ata browns--there is twice the amount of "push" moving black pigment than there is with Ata.

I've seen several random hom DP liver chestnut creates before. Someone recently found one that was up for cheap public sale and hadn't been color tested, probably because the person who created it thought it was a black horse. And a few weeks ago there was someone who got a random black liver chestnut create but it was spayed by breeding advice.

Thank you so much for the help guys!

@SandycreekFarm I have seen AtAt horses with no sooty that are called "bay" by the game because they look bay. So for a horse to be called brown by the game it appears to need either only one At or two Ats and at least one darkening gene.

That's how I understand Ammit's announcement, yes. And the single At has to be paired with a, not A or A+, since they are both dominant over At.

Woot my first HomDP! I shall rename her something epic!

The hom sooty is what makes her that dark. If you ever see a chestnut that dark but it does not have any sooty, that's a huge clue that it has at least one copy of DP. The hom sooty chestnut mares are great for starting a liver line since if you breed them to stallions like Freaky Friday (make sure you choose a liver one) or any other hom DP hom Sooty liver stallion, you are guaranteed to get liver chestnut foals that are het DP hom Sooty.

Thank you guys. I know the hom sooty plays a huge role in her darkness... But i have never seen one that dark before!