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Nevermind! - Found Answer
  • Nevermind - found the answer elsewhere! Looks like, indeed, that gene can be hidden!



    Can horses have genes that are not shown with the genetic testing? I just did a pasture breeding and produced this colt:

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    Love his look, but if I'm not mistaken, he's showing some snowflake. However, his mother appears to be a straight flaxen chestnut. I assume, for this to be possible, she must be carrying the ECA3P+ gene, correct? Are some horses carrying genes that aren't detected in gene tasting because they aren't expressed?
  • I don't know too much about Appy, so I can't give you an in depth answer sorry, but Snowflake only shows when it is homozygous (as it is a recessive gene), so the quickest way to tell if he is Snowflake would be to try and enter him in the Snowflake Breeders Club.

    As for 'hidden' genes, that is present in Kit Promoter as well. A horse can be heterozygous for it, and not show it, but if bred to another Heterozygous or Homozygous KP horse, there is a chance of passing that gene on, and producing a foal that expresses that gene. KP is not in the colour name of a horse, but if the horse is Homozygous then you can add the horse in the Breeders Club (plus you can also see by the white clouding on the horses).
    Any recessive gene presents like this, but for the horse to express the gene it must have two copies. Satin is another recessive gene.

    The easiest way to tell if the horse is Homz for something recessive, is to try and add to the breeders club.

    I've only answered half of your question, hopefully someone more experienced with the Appy genes can answer the other half!
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  • that's not snowflake, that's varnish :-)
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  • GP is hidden as well. So is DP
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  • Interesting information! I have been looking through some of the other threads about the snowflake gene and managed to confuse myself. I *think* I have it figured out.

    The actual snowflake gene is hidden, but it is best expressed with the Llp and ECA3P+ genes?
  • Has to have lp to show, and only shows on the solid parts of the horse's body - not the spots. So a leopard Appaloosa with snowflake is hard to differentiate. Heterozygous form looks like heavy varnish.
  • @Denalidom, I believe since snowflake is a recessive gene that in the heterozygous form you do not see any phenotype.

    In order to have varying degrees of phenotype, the gene would need to be incompletely dominant like the cream gene. Versus a completely dominant gene like dun or a recessive gene like satin.

    @Waldgraf, I'm not certain because snowflake is a fantasy gene but I would imagine it like a modifier. Without the Lp gene present, snowflake has nothing to modify such that it is "hidden" and you can't directly see snowflake in the genotype of horses until you go into the GMT lab and try to add it (so the gene is really hidden). If a horse does have homozygous snowflake and a copy of Lp, you will see the snowflake pattern on the coat even if Lp is heterozygous (or homozygous).

    I hope that helps.

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