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is inbreeding bad?
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I just bred this foal her parents share the same grandfather I cant tell if its bad or not her PT is kind of low so maybe she was effected what is everyone's thoughts on inbreeding
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Inbreeding has no effect on foals in game. For some it's just a personal preference to avoid it.
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Has no effect on horses in the game, if they are too inbreed I don't particularly like it, just personal preference, but same grandsire certainly wouldn't bother me
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Doesn't make a difference in the horse, just preference :) it would be really cool if something were to be added into the game that if you inbreed to much the foal could die.Owner Of Bellwether Farm
Sport pony breeding farm focused on breeding, selling and showing quality ponies. Specializing in breeding brown, DP, dun, sooty+, & W8.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres -
The thought of inbreeding is very odd. Interesting that it doesn't effect the game.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres
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Even in humans the effect of inbreeding is often overstated - throughout history multiple cultures practiced inbreeding, particularly in their royal families, and there's not usually a lot of indication that this resulted in the kind of deformities we tend to think inbreeding will make. The Ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt for instance (of which Cleopatra was the last queen) almost exclusively married their siblings or their close relatives (uncles/nieces, etc.) and there's very little indication in the history books that any of them suffered from the kind of deformities we're led to believe that incestuous breeding results in.
Which isn't to say that there AREN'T dangers to inbreeding. But it's a fairly popular view that a single generation of inbreeding will result in massive deformities, which I don't think is particularly accurate.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres -
I dogs they inbreed father and daughter/mother and son combos to weed out any issues. It's known as line breeding in the dog industry. People say too much can cause issues but that it is actually ok and can make your lines stronger if done right.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres
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In dogs they shouldn't do father to daughter or any combo like that. Grandparents to their grandchildren are fine, but the first one is far too close in my opinion.
Most of the problems we hear about inbreeding comes from either: constantly breeding siblings and parents together, so the gene pool becomes far too short, or when a gene gets stuck in the family and is just passed around, like the royal families and haemophilia.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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I have seen a ton of breeders do this and their lines were fine. They don't do it every time just ones or twice in the animals whole lineage. Overdone it can be bad. While I would never do this and my breeder I bought from doesn't do this there are big show breeders that do.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres
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My moms horse in RL has the same grandfather twice! I watched a documentary the other day. He mentioned once that if done right it can strengthen the good traits. In wild herds father/daughters do breed so it's not supposed to cause issues. In fact I almost bought a horse that was a father/daughter to my favorite stallion of all time (however he wasn't near as killer as his dad/grandpa.) But I still don't see a need for it with all the nice horses in the world. On this game, near the beginning I tried inbreeding to this one stallion a lot to see if I could replicate him. It was interesting how the genetics played out. Never did quite succeed. But now I found out he's a C papered so that adventure stopped. But I think it would be cool/fine to do on this game if you had a really cool stallion (or technically a mare). I read the first part of that article and think I will definitely read more. I was always wondering in books why royalty kept mentioning courting cousins!
Edit: One bad thing about the father/daughter combo horse I almost bought is I'm 95% sure he was deaf. (although my current horse is deaf, so it might just be a white face/splash thing)Breeder of any and all crazy colored drafts and RH horses.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres -
This year I already had triplet goat kids born where I bred a daughter of my senior buck to his grandson. (dam was the half sister of the bucks mother) Also have a doe due soon who is a full sister to the mother of that buck. (dam is a full sister of the bucks mother). I won't back cross any more on that line then grandsire and grandam twice but I am expecting really exceptional kids from that cross.
Now my ducks are the most inbred things ever. Starting pair where siblings, a son of that cross went back to the orginal hen, a son of THAT cross went back to the orginal hen again. Now I have three hatch mate siblings as a breeding trio. I did the back crossing to isolate a pale feather color gene to make plucking them easier.
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That's awesome! I have seen it bring out diseases in dogs that people didn't know were in their lines. It's beneficial if done correctly :)Thanked by 1StarfireAcres
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I think to be fair, it will happen all the time in nature and it makes sense - I suspect that people's views (prob mine included) have been heavily influenced by years of religious beliefs, which probably have no base in fact at all! :)
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And personally I have no experience of breeding anything in real life. I don't even have any kids! :D
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Haha I don't either I just know good Dane and GSD breeders who do. My Danes aren't inbred at all but I've seen it
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Yea I'm still trying to decide if I'm ok with inbreeding my horses on here because I'm wonder if the price if the foal would go down if it's inbred a lot I cant decide ugh
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My mom got this really gorgeous blue eyed nigerian buck once from someone who pulled over and asked her if she wanted him. To put it simply, we were really excited, and bred all our does to him despite the fact that we had all standard does at the time. I kept a doe kid from one of my does, and among various kids Mom kept a buck kid to breed back to some of her non related standard does. A little later on, that buckling Mom kept jumped the fence, and out of thirty goats out there I think you can guess which one got pregnant. I was mad, though honestly, I was so concerned about the fact that she was on the young side and was due to kid when no one would be home that I really don't know how much the kids being inbred even registered. Doe kidded well, two healthy buck kids. One had blue eyes like his parents and grandfather. We banded them though because their mother shows an undesirable receive trait, and we don't want to send known carriers as bucks. Now that is the thing with inbreeding, even though they passed the blue eyes, better feed efficiency and flashy colors; since their mom had two copies of an undesirable gene, the father had to have a 50/50 chance of getting it too from the shared grandfather and giving it to the kids. This was very risky with a goal of breeding that trait out of my doe's descendants while keeping the many positive traits she has over my other does... but neither of the kids showed the trait, nor any of the other kids the "buckling" has produced, and since we know all of the doe's kids get one copy from her, this breeding helps us lean towards the hope that the buckling didn't even get the gene, and so he can be useful in breeding that trait out of our herd. Now we have been getting kids with this undesirable trait from this doe from completely unrelated bucks, and Mom has used looking at her kids to screen out which bucks to get rid of for being carriers. Now, if you had goats that did't have that gene and bred them, that would get rid of the chance of getting the bad trait in the herd at all, but knowing if your herd doesn't have it is hard. We thought our herd didn't have the gene until my doeling was born, revealing two carriers.
I'm not saying yay or nay to inbreeding in real life. In game it doesn't do anything except possibly pass undesirable colors or keep colors you want. Many GP, KP, and some satin horses in the game are inbred to get the recessives to show, I imagine that is happening with snowflake as well. In real life it has advantages and disadvantages. It really depends on your goal with that breeding (to test genetics or keep breeding stock), the genes that line has, and how strict you are ready to cull. I personally try to avoid inbreeding in real life, though accidents happen. In game world I usually put two stallions in a pasture with a bunch of mares not looking at who is who's mother/father, and some inbreeding happens, but a lot of genetic diversity happens as well. -
Now, inbreeding with lines with frame would be a very bad thing if we didn't have the genetics testing, but that really releases a lot of the risks with inbreeding.
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I always thought it was interesting in sci fi movies/ futuristic books how they were always worried about having a large enough gene pool for colonies. It was a problem if they had less than a hundred. However I would guess in that case if they had too similar genetics a single disease could wipeout everyone. Not even mentioning birth defects. Reminds me of a Star Trek the next generation episode. And Enders game the later booksBreeder of any and all crazy colored drafts and RH horses.
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Oh I just want to add that my moms horse, whom was the result of two half siblings just turned 20! And is just about (knock on wood) the soundest horse I know.Breeder of any and all crazy colored drafts and RH horses.Thanked by 1StarfireAcres