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- ObsidianKitsune February 2017
- SandycreekFarm February 2017
- skyeliteOLD February 2017
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Kits
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Can a horse have more than two kits? I have an appy that is Kitw and Kitw20. So say her sire was KitTo KitTo and her dam was Kitw and Kitw20. Could she have inherited all 3 or is there only room in the genes for 2 or would she have been a dead foal?
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No. A horse passes on only one copy of their gene to their baby. I don't know about genes, but a whole extra chromosome causes genetic problems like down syndrome, depending on what chromosome it is.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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Oh and if that was the case, the father wouldn't be double kitTo, as he will always pass one down to his baby, or the appy wouldn't be kitw kitw20. One copy from the mum, one copy from the dad.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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So if sire is kit to / kit to and dam is kit to/ kit w20 the foal will have Kit to from sire and either kit to from dam or kitw20 the dam couldnt pass on both the tobiano and the w gene.
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No the dam couldn't. And that is exactly what the foal would have. There's something called a punnet square used in genetics to help determine the probability of the foal having what set. In that case you have a 50% chance of having the foal being kit to / kit to, and a 50% chance of it being kit to / kit w20Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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A quick genetics lesson (I will try to make this a clear and simple as possible):
Every mammal (and other multicellular living thing) has a certain number of pairs of chromosomes. One copy of each came from its mother and the other copy came from its father. (Except in rare cases like Down Syndrome, when one chromosome has an extra copy.)
Every chromosome carries a number of genes. When egg and sperm cells are formed, the pairs of matching chromosomes divide, and each half of the chromosome set becomes part of a separate egg or sperm cell. The set of chromosomes in each egg or sperm cell will be a mixture--some will come from the father and some will come from the mother--but each will be a complete single set of chromosomes.
When a stallion is bred to a mare, one sperm and one egg will combine to create the embryo. Which of the gene copies the sire carries and which of the gene copies the dam carries get passed on to the foal is completely random, but the foal has a 50% chance of getting either gene copy from each.
Obsidian Kitsune spoke of a Punnet square. Here is a copy of one created to show the potential of getting a dead foal with two broken copies of the Kit gene.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
For the pairing of stallion and mare you listed in your question, these are the Kit gene copies you gave:
her sire was KitTo KitTo and her dam was Kitw and Kitw20
A foal from this cross would receive KitTo from her sire, that's the only copy he has to pass on, and either Kitw or Kitw20 from the dam. The possible results would be KitTo Kitw and KitTo Kit20.
If your appy is Kitw Kit20, she got Kitw from her sire and Kit20 from her dam. The sire's gene copy is always listed first and the dam's copy comes second.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592