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- Ammit February 2017
- MoonAcre Stables February 2017
- ObsidianKitsune February 2017
- OndowaStables February 2017
- SandycreekFarm February 2017
- StarfireAcres February 2017
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What happens to my foals?
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I bred my 2 mares to a stallion in public breeding but I didn't get the foals it said they breeder but no foals anywhere help!!
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I played the vet bills and for the stud fee but no foals I'm really mad!!
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A link to the mares and stallion would help. It is possible that there was a lethal gene interaction that caused a dead foal. Frame (Olw) is always homozygous lethal. Splash 2 (PAX3C70Y) and splash 3 (SPs3) are lethal when homozygous or combined with each other. The kit mutations have various chances of lethality as explained in this post: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/13757/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_11I was jllewis on the old forum.
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That's ridiculous I did not know that!!
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I'm going to assume the mix of genes were lethal. But link the horses here and then we can see if there could have definitely been a lethal combination.
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He has frame so I'm assuming he was bred to two frame mares. Not ridiculous as it happens in real life and this game mimics real life for the most part!
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Yep they also have frame. So that was the issue :)
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So you can't breed 2 frames and splashes together?
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Can I breed these 2 mares to this brindle?
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There's a very slight risk of a dead foal if you breed him to Diamond Tiger Eye. She has White 2 and he is homozygous for White 20. The foal has 100% chance of getting White 20 from the sire and a 50% chance of getting White 2 from the dam. However, since both sire and dam have relatively little White Factor, you should be safe crossing her with Pumpkin Spices.
De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
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The game would have told you the foal died when it happened. Make sure you read any messages that pop up. :)
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Ok Sandycreekfarm would it be ok if I bred Star Fire to Diamond Tiger Eye?
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@Starfire you can do this yourself. There is a very helpful chart in this link:
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/13757/new-kit-lethality-and-kit-mutation-load-explained#Item_11
w20+w20=fine
w20+to=fine.
w2+w20=low risk.
w2+to=fine
I'd go ahead and breed the two.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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ObsidanKitsune has given you the answer. A good way to work through it is this. If you follow this pattern for any gene crossing you have a question about, even if it's only to see what color a foal might inherit, you can have a fair notion about what to expect, at least for that gene. When you take the whole array of genes that affect a horse's color and pattern it gets very complex, very quickly. *G*
1. Write down the Kit genes the stallion has in the 2nd and 3rd spaces at the top of a 3 space x 3 space grid.
2. Put the Kit genes the mare has in the 2nd and 3rd spaces at the far left of that grid.
3. Under the first of the stallion's genes, put the one in the 2nd top space into each of the spaces below it.
4. Under the second of the stallion's genes but the one in the 3rd top space into each of the spaces below it.
5. Write the first of the mare's genes into both of the spaces to the right of it.
6. Write the 2nd of the mare's genes into both of the spaces to the right of it.
This will give you the four possible gene pairings from this match.
1. For Diamond Tiger Eye, you would put Kitw20 in the 2nd top space and Kitw2 in the 3rd top space. (He carries frame but the mare doesn't. We can ignore it.)
2. For Star Fire, put Kitw20 in the second far left space and KitTo in the third far left space.
3. Bringing down the stallion's genes and carrying the mare's across, we would get these possible foal results for the Kit gene.
a. Kitw20 Kitw20 definitely safe.
b. Kitw2 Kitw20 mostly safe., unless both parents have a lot of White Factor.
c. Kitw20 KitTo definitely safe.
d. Kitw2 KitTo definitely safe
Notice that it is customary to put the stallion's contribution first and the mare's second for each pair.s
This technique is called a Punnet Square and it is one of the basic tools of genetics. You will eventually come to it in a science class, I expect, if you haven't already. Here's a picture of a sample Punnet Square for horse color genetics. This one is to find out what would happen if one parent had White 1 and the other had White 2. It shows that there is a 1 in 4 chance of a dead foal from this cross. It's a square based on the older information about Kit mutations. That has now been updated, and the chart in the link ObsidianKitsune mentioned is the newest information about lethal Kit mutation crosses.
De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
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Thank you for this but I'm not really understanding the chart but will understand it the more I play the game thanks again that was nice :)
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What chart, the one posted here or the lethality chart?Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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Is it saying everything is ok together but kitW and KitW?
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That is what it is saying in the chart above, however the kit mutations have changed and you need to refer to the chart in the link I posted. Like SandyCreek said, make that box, put the sires genes on top, the mares genes on the side, cross them over and then find that combination of genes on the lethality chart to find out it's risk factor.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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Let me step back a bit to give you a bit more of the background information. This is how genes work.
For every gene a living thing has, it will get one copy from its father and one copy from its mother. Both father and mother have two copies of each gene that they got from their parents, and so on back through the generations. This applies to plants as well as animals. In fact, the science of genetics began with a study of pea plants and the peas they produced.
So, for every one of the genes that affect a horse's color or the pattern of its color, every horse has two copies, one from its sire and one from its dam. When sperm cells and egg cells are created, only one copy of each gene goes into each sperm and egg cell. The gene copies the sperm cell has are random, and the same thing happens with the egg. When the two cells come together to form a new foal, the foal gets that random combination of gene copies, one from the stallion and one from the mare.
It's kind of like tossing pennies. Each time you toss the coin, there is a chance that it will land heads up and an equal chance that it will land tails up. This does not mean that if you toss the coin 10 times, it will be heads 5 times and tails 5 times. The chance of either result is the same every time you toss the coin, so you might get a sequence like: 3 heads, 2 tails, 1 head, 1 tail, 1 head, 2 tails. The result of each toss is random.
So there is no way of knowing ahead of time whether the stallion will pass on the gene copy he received from his mother or the gene copy he received from his father. And there is no way of knowing whether the mare will pass on the gene copy she got from her mother or the copy she got from her father. The combination a foal receives is a random group of all the copies of the gene available.
That's what the little chart I posted is showing. What are all the possible pairs of copies of a certain gene that can be created with these two horses and what are the chances that the foal will get a seriously mutated copy from each parent and so will never develop into a living foal.
The Kit gene has developed a lot of mutations over the ages that cause white hair to develop on a horse's body. These mutations break the gene so that it may not be able to perform all the functions it is supposed to. The more the gene is broken, the more white appears on the horse. If a horse has one complete copy of the Kit gene, it will be OK. If it has two copies with mutations, then the gene may be so broken that it can't do its work and the foal dies before it can be born.
I believe that scientists have identified at least 20 mutations of the Kit gene that break the gene so much that two copies will prevent the foal from developing. This is why understanding how the Kit mutations interact is hard to understand.
You are right that the more you play the game, the better you will begin to understand how horse color genetics works. Don't worry if you continue to be puzzled. Just keep asking questions, and we will be glad to keep answering them.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
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Wow thank you so much for explaining that to me in a way I can understand a little more that was very nice of you I've already learned so much on his game and I've only been playing for a week. It's truly amazing how real life this game is.. I'm only a week in and I already love this game creating cool coats and learning about what each gene is is amazing..I've played other horse games like howrse but it's not as realistic as this game I already like this one more and you can get cooler rare coats for cheaper on here..thanks again and yes I know the more I play the more ill learn more what the genes mean I already know quite abit from only playing a week..
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And another reason why I'm having a harder time figuring the charts out and the genes is because I didn't graduate high school or my G.E.D sorry for asking so many questions it's hard for me to understand
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That's fine Starfire. Always learning is a good thing and I know that many people can find biology tedious. Googling punnet squares or genetics for beginners may give you a quick crash course on it.Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
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I'm glad that my answer helped, Starfire. I like teaching, and it's great to know when I am making something easier to understand. Don't feel bad about having to ask questions. You won't be the first player who has had to keep asking what something means or how it works. Asking questions is the best way to learn, I think.
You are also helping the rest of us by asking, because the very best way to really master something is to try teaching it to someone else. Sometimes when I answer a question, Ammit, the game's creator, has to come along and explain that I got something wrong. I'm glad she does that, because then I get the chance to learn more about this fascinating game.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
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Yes it did help and thanks again ill get it sooner or later lol