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What is CC?
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I clicked on the CC and it comes up with the MATP Cream/Pearl defination. I have a Perlino thats listed as CcrCcr. Buckskin is CCcr. Then the non-cream, non- pearl horse is CC he's just a regular bay. Doesnt two capital letters mean Homoz for something?
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It means that the horse is homozygous for NOT carrying a cream gene.
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Capital letters only mean a dominant gene if the dominant genes are represented by capital letters. Cream happens to be one where the recessive, non-interesting allele is represented by C and the dominant, noticable allele is Cr or Prl. :)
I vaguely remember someone mentioning here on the forum that the capitalization of an allele is significant, like Cream is different when it's Heterozygous and when it's Homozygous, but Dun isn't and it's represented by a lowercase letter in it's recessive form.
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Dun is a binary gene--there is a dominant form and a recessive form. One copy of the dominant form completely overrides the recessive and gives you a fully dun colored horse. Two copies of the dominant form does not give you a "more dun" horse than one copy. Thus, dominant dun (in the game at least) is D and recessive dun (no dun dilution) is d.
Cream is an incompletely dominant gene. Mixing the various allele possibilities gives you different phenotypes (different physical manifestations). So, you have no dilution, C, which doesn't affect the base color of the horse. You have the cream dilution, Ccr, which when heterozygous lightens the coat color variably (depending on base color) and has a variable effect on mane and tail color and when homozygous turns the entire horse a creamy whitish color and affects eye color. And you have pearl dilution, Cprl, which when heterozygous may cause slight lightening of the coat color (I really notice it with wild bay) and when homozygous gives a champagne like dilution and a pearly sheen to the coat. If you have a horse that carries both cream and pearl, the coat is pinkish and has the sheen. Because all three alleles affect coat color in roughly equal amounts, all three are capitalized.
Agouti is another interesting one, less incompletely dominant than variable dominance at the same locus, with wild bay more dominant than regular bay. But brown is incompletely dominant because a brown horse with one At is a different color than one with 2.... it's enough to make your head spin!Thanked by 1Ammit -
I would like to mention that while genes absolutely DO work like this in real life--binary or incomplete dominance or variable dominance etc--the description of how alleles react to each other may vary depending on what text book you look at. I also want to say that while Ammit has done an insanely amazing job at keeping the genetics in this game as close to reality as possible, I am not up on equine color genetics and don't know if the gene abbreviations we use and the interactions are true to life or only true for the game. I know for sure that color genetics in dogs and cats are different and assume that cows and goats would also be different.
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Genetics are the same for all animals, just the specifics of expression change. Dogs, cats, cattle, goats, horses all have MITF and KIT as major pattern genes. All have black/red switches and agouti patterns. They might get called slightly different things and might express slightly different but they are the same things.
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http://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/3/how-to-get-help-from-an-administratorThanked by 1SandycreekFarm