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Yeahhh as a still newish player myself I hear you there.

The general advice is don't worry about your horse's profit, just worry about its points. My understanding is that the profit calculation is literally show winnings minus entry fees, and so it doesn't take into account any bonus you get because of the points that horse makes. So you could have a horse that is constantly in the red, but making enough points such that your weekly bonus from them means you still make a profit off that horse.

In a lot of places you might see the advice to just enter everything in shows, but I don't take that literally. I have a lottt of horses that leveled off in a place where they are dead last consistently, or they are close to dead last. If your horse is only making you 1 point per week and they are losing you 10hbs in entries per week, then it'll take 20 weeks before they become profitable on a weekly basis, never mind making back what you put into them. I don't have a set system for how I decide to pull a horse from showing, but I keep an eye out for horses that have leveled off and if they level in a bad place (approximately lowest 30% of a class) they get pulled. Mares go out to pasture, neutered stock gets evaluated (do they have lots of points already that they can sit on or are they worth more yummed?). I typically show all of my stock that hasn't leveled off since their weekly score changes enough that whether or not they were profitable this week doesn't say much about next week.

Also, do not enter yearlings as they cannot accumulate points. You might get the odd yearling who has a high enough starting score to make a profit, but I find it's not a lot of profit and it's not worth the time/entry fees to figure out who those yearlings are.

But again, as I newer player, I feel your pain. I have paid an embarrassing amount of RL cash in infusions. I was impatient and wanted to grow really quickly, and now I am suffering as my horses sloooowly crawl up the ladder to the higher point classes. I think once you get a good percentage of your stock in the upper earning brackets, you become more and more self sufficient and you can support a bigger stable.

Many of mine are in the red, I must admit, but I have a large enough stable that the showing bonus overrides the negative profits.

If you don't have too many horses and lots of time to spend on the game, you can keep careful track of them all and only show them when they are more likely to do well. This is easier to do if your horses are not inconsistent, since it will be easier to keep track of their most likely base score.

Many horses add about 3 three points to their scores with each training, especially if their PT scores are in the 9.? range. There are about 10 points for each Level/Grade, once you get out of Level 1, and the scores ending between 7 and 0 are most likely to place near the top of the classes.

What I used to do playing H&J 1, was keep a paper record, with a sheet for each horse. I would show each one twice in a week to get a rough idea of what it's starting score and degree of consistency might be, and then begin keeping track. I would add 3 points to their potential score after each training and show them when I thought that they would do well in classes for their Level/Grade. I would have a chart that recorded the date horses were shown, their place in the class (2/5, 5/7, 8/8, for instance) and the score they received. Above that chart, on Sundays, I would jot down my prediction of what I expected their score to be after training that week. If it looked like a horse would do well, I would enter it in a show, and if it did well, came above the middle of its class, I would show it again later in the week. This eventually became too much work, since I had so many horses, and I gave in, got a Level 5 upgrade, and turned on auto show. *G*

Most horses level up to the next grade when their score ends in 0 or 1, in my experience. It's better not to show them after they have just leveled up. Here is a list of range of scores for various Level/Grades.

Level 2L 10-20
Level 2R 20-30
Level 2N 30-40
Level 2W 40-50
Level 3L 50-60
Level 3R 60-70
Level 3N 70-80
Level 3W 80-90
Level 4L 90-100
Level 4R 100-110
Level 4N 110-120
Level 4W 120-130
and so forth.

Once you get to Level 6, most Level/Grades will have more than 10 points, because when there got to be lots of horses with PT scores over 12, only a few horses were placing well in the Level 8 classes, and horses with PT's in the 11-12 range were totally outclassed and could only lose money hand over fist. Ammit adjusted the leveling up scores of the higher level classes, and that helped a lot. By that time, I was playing with a Level 5 upgrade and had stopped paying a lot attention to what my horses were doing in shows.

I'm not sure how high horses scores can rise in this game, since a year is only one real-life month long instead of two, so they have less time to add points to their scores and level off at lower stages than horses in H&J 1.

I hope this gives you some help with your red line.

That's really helpful stuff! Thank you! Gosh it is so hard for me to no hoard horses in this game. Bur yes I can see that so I feel much better about it.

Also, why is the time in hj2 shorter than hj1? Is there any rhyme or reason for that?

Just an FYI I buy a ton of breeding stock from the Hajinc Rescue (the one with lined horses in that Private Auction) and have found that they are not trained while they are in the rescue - which is unfortunate, because it tends to make them useless in the show ring. I'm not sure if neutered stock is trained, but I have a feeling it isn't. Can't remember about the foundation rescue...I just found this mare who I bought when she was 8:
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=142425
It does not look like she was trained before that based on her starting score and when she was yummed. It's a real bummer since it seriously diminishes their value IMO.

I have trouble keeping track of when horses should and shouldn't do well until they level off. I just keep them around and hope some win! Once they have leveled off however I go through them and cull the losers

It is almost impossible without creating written or electronic records and updating them weekly. Some people use spreadsheets to help out, but I found it easier to do it manually.