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Houdini11 · Dec 27, 2016 9:24 AM

I have a couple sable colored horses. My question is what colors do I need to breed together to specifically try for it, and where do I look on the genes for it? My kings ransom stud is a sable and he gives me a couple every breeding season.

ConfluenceFarms · Dec 27, 2016 9:26 AM

We will need a link or picture so we know what you are calling sable, since that particular term isn't used in the game.

Houdini11 · Dec 27, 2016 9:28 AM

Wildland Acres · Dec 27, 2016 9:29 AM

I think she is referring to sable Champaign.

Houdini11 · Dec 27, 2016 9:29 AM

I have others too she is just the newest addition.

Wildland Acres · Dec 27, 2016 9:31 AM

I think that is referring to the mix of black and champaign. I though you had to avoid bay, don't know if him having brown disproves that or not, brown is sometimes considered same or different from bay in this game.

Ammit · Dec 27, 2016 9:36 AM

We will need a link or picture so we know what you are calling sable, since that particular term isn't used in the game.

Um yes it is lol. Sables are brown Champs.

Wildland Acres · Dec 27, 2016 9:36 AM

Looking through my kings random descendant horses, bay horses with champaign are amber champaign, brown hoses with champaign are sable champaign, I thing I heard something about liver based horses being called thus too, but not sure, Kings ransom can throw those too though, and chestnut champaign horses are gold champaign. My monkey grill champaign is called classic cream champaign dun, so I assume black champaign is classic champaign.

Denalidom · Dec 27, 2016 9:37 AM

Black based (E- aa) is classic champagne
Brown based (E- Ata, E- AtAt) is sable champagne
Bay based (E- A-, E- A+-) is amber champagne
Chestnut based (ee) is gold champagne

The addition of cream (otherwise a buckskin, cremello, etc) has cream added into the name.

Remember that Ata and AtAt look different and A and A+ mask At, so you can have two sable champagnes that are different colors depending on how many copies of agouti they have.

Denalidom · Dec 27, 2016 9:38 AM

Y'all beat me to it! Liver horses with champagne are still called gold, no special word.

Houdini11 · Dec 27, 2016 9:39 AM

So keep breeding my darker champagnes together and it will result occasionally in more sables? It's a beautiful color.

Denalidom · Dec 27, 2016 9:57 AM

Well, a sable is a brown horse with champagne. A true breeding sable would be EE AtAt, so you could breed for that. If the horse is heterozygous for black or brown (Ee or Ata) then you could get the occasional classic or gold champagne. Adding sooty (SstySsty or SSsty) and/or DP would make the horse even darker.

Denalidom · Dec 27, 2016 9:59 AM

This is a SSsty DPdp gold champagne. He's dark, but not a sable - he doesn't have dark points from brown.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=472437

Cheers · Dec 27, 2016 12:44 PM

Houdini, did that make sense to you? If not, let me know and I will talk you through the three genes you need to make this color and what color names you should look out for to add to your breeding lines.

ConfluenceFarms · Dec 27, 2016 1:37 PM

"Derp"

Houdini11 · Dec 30, 2016 3:03 AM

Thank you guys. It helps immensely.

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