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- CastelPark December 2016
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Showing Aptitude Test
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How long do the horses have to be in training and showing for the SA test to move on from the 'such and such can go either way' statement, and be told a real answer?
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It never happens. All the basic tests are binary--pass or fail. If the SAT says they can go either way, they pass that test.Thanked by 1GreenwoodFarm
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The tests looks at their hidden breeding and showing ability numbers and neuters the ones where the showing ability is "significantly" higher than the breeding ability. That would mean that they would probably be fairly good show horses but not what you'd want to be breeding because they wouldn't produce good offspring.
It the result comes back "either way" that means that their abilities are about equal and only time will tell if they are good for their generation for both purposes or not.
So that answer is the "real answer" for the test.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592Thanked by 1GreenwoodFarm -
Thanks :)
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OK... so just because I don't want to hound the page with new threads and its slightly related
Spayed mares and geldings. How long do you give them at shows before auctioning them off? Do you have a system to decide who will pay their way and who will be no good and wont improve? -
There is really no way to be absolutely certain how profitable a horse will be until it has aged up and leveled off. This is especially true since the showing bonus based on the points awarded to horses based on where they place was established, basically erasing the need to track profits--the difference between entry fees and cash awards.
If you have a horse that levels off at a young age, (3 or 4 or 5, at least) it will probably not make you much money in the long run, and you may want to auction it off.
However, when you are just starting out, doing some of this may help.
1. The foundations horse with good showing ability will add about 3 points to their show scores every time you train them. This is especially reliable for Perfect Foundations. So if you show a horse and it comes in below the middle of the class, you might want to let it train without showing for a couple of week. By then, it might have gained enough points to finish near the top of the class, where it will make a profit.
2. Every horse, whether created or bred, starts out in Level 1, inhand classes. Created horses may spend a couple of weeks in Level 1, which has a 10 point spread for all its grades. Foals/yearlings do not train and will not start increasing their show score until they turn 2. So you might show a newly created horse a couple of times, to get an idea of its base score, and then let it train for about 3 weeks before trying again.
3. After a horse gets to Level 2 Local, there is a 10 point spread for each Level/Grade. This is when it takes about 3 trainings to get through one. Show your newly created horses a couple of time to get their base score, then add three points with each training. Do this until you think their score may be at 15 or higher, then show them again to see if that is correct. Or to put it another way, do this until they level up to 2L then train them 2 more times. Show them again, and see what their score is. If they're near the top of the class, show them again that week. If their score was 17, try them again the next week, unless they have leveled up to 2R. In that case, train them for 2 weeks then show them again. And continue.
4. Don't just show your neutered horses. Show everyone. Your showing bonus will be happy.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592Thanked by 1CastelPark -
Thankyou so much. I appreciate such a detailed explanation!
When you say levelled off, you mean if they always come last or always come first or always come 3rd?? -
On your horses' pages there is a spot where it says Trainings:
In that slot there are three options. Needs Trained if you haven't trained this week or the horse is a foal and not eligible for training, Trained For Week if you've already trained, and Levelled Off. If they are Levelled Off, they add a marginal amount to their show score each week, often just a fraction of a point. If your horse has leveled off in the top half of their class, they will continue to make good points and money. If they have leveled off close to the bottom, it will take a long time for them to scrape their way up to the middle and they won't make you much in they way of profit until they do, but if they have a lot of lifetime points they are still making you lots of money in the show bonus. If they level off at th top of a class, they will eventually move up to the bottom of the next class up. I have a bunch of aged foundation stallions who bounce between the top of 7L and the bottom of 7R week to week. Some do better than others, but they all have a respectable number of life time points and they are all still valuable breeders in my herd, so I just enter them and chuckle a bit as they ping pong back and forth.Thanked by 1SandycreekFarm