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  • I comparison tested some of Dancers colts to him. My question is would you geld his AGA sons especially since this season alone right now I have 5 superior sons. The superior arent as flashy as his AGA boys.
  • If you are really planning on improving your lines with every generation, and a stallion has given you superior colts, then, yes, you should probably geld those flashy AGA sons. With a sigh, perhaps. There is always next season to hope for a flashy, superior son. When you get it, then you can decide whether you want to keep the plain ones.
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  • I was leaning that way. I still have colts that I havent tested yet. Two of them are tobianos with no white factor which to me is unique.
  • Something to keep in mind. The only thing that makes that stallion special is your attachment to him. He is just a normal every day create otherwise. He doesn't have anything on any other foundation in the game and you should not treat his line any other way. Keeping AGA sons makes his just average line worse. If you want to make it a quality line you need to do so by aggressively culling lower quality.
  • Once I get a superior colt, I geld all the as good as colts. I just gelded a bunch of B papered Nexus colts because I had A papered colts from their sires. It isn't always an easy decision, but if you want quality that is what you have to do. Strict mare advice and I have a love-hate relationship going on, but the bottom line is that by using it, I save generations of raising foals that probably shouldn't have been bred in the first place. And it seems like it is always the plainer foals that pass testing while the wild and flashy ones get spayed or gelded. But they often make beautiful show ponies :)
  • I have a total of 7 foals superior to Dancer. Would it be wise now to comparison test my foals against each other to see which ones are better now?
  • I always comparison test my 2nd gens from Cs to a B papered foundation, and only keep the ones that are superior to him.
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  • I always do that! Chances are one or two are better than the others.
  • Ok another question would you put your highest Pt colt on the right and test the other colts to him?

    Maribo can you explain a little better?
  • Best--this is why some of us have "benchmark stallions."

    There are lots of ways to go about this and part of your decision is going to be economic.

    Were any of the superior colts the best pasture foal? If so, I would use them as the colt you Test others against. Better yet, if you have a best pasture foal colt, I would also test him against your other lines. Not against more C foundation stallions, but if you want a benchmark basically you want to know who your very best stallion in every generation is.

    I stumbled on my first benchmark. He was a best pasture foal but I happened to test him against a gen 2 A stallion I acquired and he was AGA that stallion so I knew he was a high B. For a while I required my gen 2s to only test AGA him, but now they have to be AGA both him and my gen 2 As, so my gen two stallions are about as good as you can get without boosting lines I think.

    If you have an ExPerf B Papered foundation stallion from one of the recent herd helpers that have come out, Maribo is suggesting that you test your boys against that stallion. The ExPerfs appear to be low to mid Bs, so a colt that is superior is a mid to high B.

    Similarly, if you have a gen 3 A stallion that you suspect is only just barely an A, you could check your boys against him to see if any are AGA. This is a big gamble though because you don't actually know where your gen 3 boy is...

    im not sure any of that made sense...please ask me to clarify if you need me to!
  • Were the good china creates experf? I cant remember.

    As far as BOP goes i didnt recieve that notification this month. That isnt working and should be up running again after the new year. So that is hard for me to tell which one is BOP.
  • Heart of Holidays were definitely ExPerf or ExPro. Don't remember about China...

  • Both HOH and Good China are ExPerf
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  • Now what do I do? All of my superior colts tested AGA to the exceptional perfect stud I bought. So now not sure what to do? I want to improve this line but not sure if Dancer will make it through. Now I wonder about his fillies as well.
  • MOST HOHs and GC's are not Experfs.
  • I tested them against the exceptional perfect stud i bought today. All of them were AGA to him.
  • Oh. Oh! That is very good to know, Ammit! Thanks very much!!!
  • Ammit if they are it would have a tattoo correct?
  • One batch of each are experts as far as I know. All created before are still regular
  • Only the ones created after ExPerfects were unlocked on HJ2 will be exceptional. So only the recent good chinas and heart of the holidays.

    best friend, regarding your colts: Dancer is not as good as an exceptionally perfect stud, which you already know. He is going to have a hard time (or impossible time) siring babies who are superior to the exceptionally perfect stud. So you really only have two options here:
    1) You decide to stick with Dancers line, keep only the superior colts, and try to make his line the best quality that you can. His line will always be at a disadvantage to one started by your exceptionally perfect stud, but if it's important to you to keep his line around there's nothing wrong with that. A great thing about this game is you can choose whatever goal you want. Even if it's not what everyone else is doing or would do.
    2) You decide you would rather just have the greatest babies possible, no matter what line they are from. In this scenario you are better off starting from perfect foundations, exceptionally perfect foundations and rank special foundations and keeping only the best and superior babies sired by that "perfect" line.

    You have to decide which option will bring you the most joy and go with it. :)
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  • I know I want to keep his line going. Even if it means that his line wont be as great as the others. To me Dancer has everything that I wanted.

    Would I be better off crossing his daughters onto a better line? Crossing his sons onto a better mare line?

    Should I look for blue papered mares to cross his sons onto? Would that help to improve his line?
  • i don't think Best or anyone else is suggesting a regular create line can compete with an exclusively ExPerf line, but there's no reason it can't compete with a line anchored by a mix of PFs and regular creates, which is what most of us have. My lines that are mixes of regular creates and PFs regularly produce high B stallions with the full pasture bonus. Not many, to be sure, but regularly enough that I have a high B stallion for almost every line in my gen 2 range (I think Axiom is my exception at the moment and they have only had one season of foals). In fact I have so many that I have a handful to sell every season. There is no reason she can't shoot for that...the limiting factor here is Dancers age...

    Best, I would cross both sides of his line with the best gen 2 stock you have when you get that far to continue improving his line. And cull hard!

    I had a favorite stallion I was able to get straws to back when I was starting out. Straws, so no pasture bonus, and starting out so my picks on who to cross him to in my foundation mare herd were based on color rather than quality. I've had to cull the colt he threw and I will admit my heart is in my throat every time one of his line comes up in my foal and mare evaluations, but the cream of the crop are still going and I have quality broodmares in the line all the way out to gen 4. There isn't a ton of his blood in my herd but it is still there, still passing on the silver black rabicano I fell in love with back with that very first foundation stallion.

    In a calendar year, Best, you may not have a ton of Dancer in your herd anymore, but that core backbone of the best foals from him will still be twined through, keeping his legacy alive.
  • Thanks Cheers that helps alot. Dancer was my first foundation stud I bought. When I was looking he had what I wanted. He is by far my favorite.

    Reading what you said gives me hope for what Dancers line can become.
  • Thanks everyone. I am going to look at my 2g mares and breed my best 2g mares with dancer sons.

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