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Meeee! I've sooo done this... too much. I spent 350k or so on a horse I could've probably just created myself for much less. =))

I do this so often! Except with rank specials that are becoming more common. I'll see ones for 40000 hbs then go into the RS chat and find it for 5000-10000. For 40,000 I can reroll long enough to get some decent HH.

I've spent a pretty penny on studs I end up gelding because I'm not using them and I dont want to sell them! I love my shiny ponies!

I call that act “stimulating the economy” : P Is is logical? Nah.

Unlike in the physical world, I know when I spend hajibucks, they are likely to be re-spent by the next owner in a timely fashion. While we have incentives to save UP for a personal goal (larger barns, IVs, GMTs), we aren’t rewarded with interest for hoarding our money. In fact, our bank fund totals are capped (at 10 mil, I believe, but don’t quote me—I’ve never reached that at once).

Unless I buy from someone someone creates and sells a lot of high-value horses, then abruptly leaves the game without distributing their bank account, my money is likely swapping hands over and over, bringing joy and GMTs to many.

At least, this what I tell myself when I “just want one more.”

I'm the worst about "special" RS... Especially my darling SPWs!

...which explains why I shelled out 200k for one with champagne, seeing as there's only 7 of those in the game :P

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Im just like that too X_X I buy owerpriced horses all the time, want them to bad lol

@Ren I definitely don't understand the Freaky Fridays myself! They go for ridiculous prices just because they have that tattoo. Cherry Drops are hom DP too, and and they have wild bay, another "cool thing" - and while yes, the FFs are hom sooty and easier to make black liver (or even come out black liver), the price difference between the two is crazy, even also accounting for the higher rarity of the FF. My best guess is that it's some leftover mania from before the Cherry Drops, when hom DP in a foundation was THE thing to have (and they were the only ones with it). Just imagine the crazy if Ammit released an RS guaranteed to be hom or even het snowflake. When it came out you can bet your barn they'd be selling for outrageous prices.

As for the foals vs straws, it does make sense to an extent, but only if you look at many of the foals as a whole and the thought process behind it. If you have, say, a snowflake/kp stud you're selling straws from at 10k, people look at it and say "oh, I have this snowflake mare I could pair it with. I can get a 2G foal that's hom snf/het kp, not bad. Let me get a few straws to try for that." Another person looks at the exact same horse and is excited for the prospect of getting a hom KP 2G, with that one white gene this stud is carrying, and couldn't care less about the snowflake. So for that, the foals themselves might already have a narrower market than the straws (and a narrower market means less total interest which means lower prices - supply/demand).

Another big factor - het vs hom. Especially in studs, hom for the desired gene makes them much more valuable than het for it, often by a larger margin than just doubling. This is because het will only pass it to half the foals, while hom passes it to all.

And then there's the matter of studs vs fillies. This is a HUGE one when it comes to price. Everyone has studs, so they need something really shiny before the commit money to a colt, but at the ratio of up to 50 mares to one stud, you'll almost always find a market for mares with something going for them.

And the lower the gen, the better, usually, when it comes to sales. I have a foundation that I sell 10k straws from. I have a second gen with all his genes and more that I sell straws for 5k from. Depending on the foals, the price drop often reflects the generation a bit - even stronger when I try to sell something 5G+.

For some numbers, I have one stud I'll look at - my 2G, hom DP/KP/SNF/prl, het sb2/ice8 boy. I sell straws for 5k (though his straws are popular enough I could probably charge 10k, just would get less total buyers).

Het colts from him - I couldn't give them away. Okay, maybe I could give them away, but you get the idea.
Hom colts - ones that are SBA passed, and hom for SNF/KP/DP, I can usually ask 15-20k.

Het fillies - they usually sell for roughly 20k to 30k depending on papering.
Hom fillies - not many are sold, but the ones that are have gone for 100k+ on more than one occasion.

Oddly enough, age seems to have a small factor too - people will shell out a few bucks more for a 4yo mare than they will for a yearling filly. I usually try to sell off stock from a couple seasons ago rather than this season, if possible, due to this. Even a 2yo "grown up" has this same effect. Still not sure the psychology behind that one other than a guess that people are impatient? :P

Anyways, pardon the ramble, but ever since joining this game I've discovered a hidden love for the psychology behind economics. :D

@Lallyhop - You don't have to remove two copies of frame with the cherry drops either. ;) Though I suppose you need to add two copies of sty or s+ if you want something to compare to a FF. lol. But you are right, it's crazy how different the prices are for horses that (if you think about it) are fairly comparable.

I do get the straw vs foal when looking for a specific gene/wanting to pair with a specific horse but I still find it a little strange the price difference that you can get with a foal with desirable genes vs selling a straw.

I suppose that part of my problem may lie in the fact that I breed riding horses and, from what I've seen, they tend to be less desirable/popular compared to warmblood or draft horses. As such the same genes on a riding horse may get less interest than if it were on a draft or warmblood. Bigger pool of buyers and all that. Of course all this said I'm a small barn and I can't say that I offer a ton of horses for sale and, of those, I'm usually keeping the best stock for myself, as everyone usually does. Perhaps I should offer some of my 'stunners' and see what sort of prices they get. ;)

I love the psychology behind the economics here too, it really is quite fascinating, anytime you get little isolated economic groups its fun to see how things work. I love this game, everything about it from the genetics right down to the economics is fun. The community ultimately is what keeps me around though...okay fine and all my pretty ponies. Hehe

@RubyJoFarm -The economy here can be fickle, that's for sure. I know that I SBA everything that comes out of my barns and would rather sell a superior colt than an AGA one...in fact I usually try to not sell any colts that are AGA because I know my studs can do better and, if someone is going to buy a foal from me, I want it to be a good one.

Hopefully, I'll get to the point where I have more stock to offer out to the public but, as a smaller still growing barn, I find that I'm keeping a lot of my stock for in-house use. It's good to know what prices you can get for your stock as I breed for some of those same genes. :)

The appeal of the FFs for me, personally, is the fact that they are (most often) black liver chestnut. And I love the real life black liver chestnuts. So the appeal just carries over here.

I do have a het black FF, but he’s only het so he’s still useful for creating liver chestnuts.

I don’t have a Cherry Drop on this server, but my Cherry Drop over on the Bluegrass server is homozygous Black. No good for breeding liver chestnuts. Can be het black? If not, that could be part of their lack of popularity. I also didn’t know they were homozygous DP until a week ago or so. That could be some of it, too. It’s blatantly obvious that the FFs are DP.

I notice that another insanely popular HH is the Rythym of Four. I sold one over on the bluegrass for 100,000. They usually seem to consistently go for very high prices. They are only Het DP. I was guessing the popularity must be the Dr Who reference?

I kind of regret selling my 2nd. But I needed money at the time. :p

I actually have a Freaky Friday Black Frame 4yo Warmblood Mare that's at 105k right now....let's just say I'm completely in shock!

There’s a Dark Chocolate mare right now with an offer of 350k on her. :O

Went in to see if she was anything within my budget. Nope! Most certainly not. :p

I really don't understand the economy on this game sometimes which is fine most of the time, but today I put up a stallion I spent way over a million hbs gmting up for sale and he got voted out as being over price, but there are horses that are more expensive than him up that are left and they've had no gmt work done with them, I mean I don't care I'll just keep him as I'm not letting him go for less than I put him up for, but I really don't get how a run of the mill out with a bang mare is worth more than a gmted bone fire stallion

I've decided I'm just going to keep him now, he can have the 10 nares in my 60 acre pasture that my new boy can't cover, it saves the extra cost of using straws.
I gave up trying to sell my horses a couple of seasons ago, now I just snip or yum anything I don't want to breed, even when they are good breeding stock just the wrong colour for me.

I came over here from Howrse (well, sort of. I haven’t played Howrse in years) and that is a very market driven game and the exact opposite of here.

For the most part, foundation, 2nd, 3rd, etc generation horses aren’t worth much and you can forget breeding up your own line of horses from scratch. They’re too far ahead unless you start with a new realeased breed. And it takes a looooooot of real money to be and stay competitive. I managed to have a successful line of ranked crossbreds without real money, but it took massive amounts of time to maintain. And I ended up being unable to sell anything anyways because the money spending high ranking vultures would snap them up to use my own horses to kick me out of the top (and keep me out) Because they’ve invested so much real money into the game, the top ranking players are rude, cutthroat, and very defensive of their position on top.

Most players don’t have access to horses in the top tiers. The top generation for sale is usually many below what is ranked.

There aren’t any workable goals for breeders, and even if you just breed the top generations available, you’re still likely to struggle because the top breeders like to drown the competition.

Inflation is very active on the game, last I saw. Prices keep going higher and higher.

While the market here is weird, as least foundation horses have value and it genuinely is possible to play to free. And new players can enjoy the game just as much as anyone else (albeit, on a much smaller budget for a while lol)

I think a market and breed to sell would make the game less relaxing and more competitive and cutthroat.

I completely disagree with the idea that there is something wrong with the games economy. It makes perfect sense when you remember that we incentivize even brand new players being able to have worthwhile horses and actively work to ensure you don't have to pay real money to be competitive. We even give out pointed show horses special to small barns to give them something to build off of or sell. It works how I want it to work.


Also people breed for thier own lines and projects, foundations are always needed for starting new lines, and rare foundations are desirable. The number of lined horses far exceeds the number of foundations and most people have more than they can manage as is. Leaderboards quality stallions suitable for bootstrapping projects do sell for good money though, because again they have a lot of use.

In my mind, the game economy makes sense. Breeders typically pay more for their foundation stock and their foals usually sell for less. Even in the thoroughbred industry where foals may sell for hundreds of thousands to millions, a lot of times these foals are from mares and stallions that cost/are worth way more than that (I'm thinking about some of Mandy Pope's mares, Tapit, War Front, etc.). The realism of this game is what has kept me around for so long. I love that I can relate so many things back to real life. With that said, I breed one of the most unpopular things in the game, so I don't sell my lines anyways. Outside of foundations I can't use, I have only let two intact ponies from my breeding program out of my barns so it's safe to say I'm not completely affected by the game economy. And at the end of the day, we pay more for what we want in this game. Last week when YLA was out I paid way too much for some of them but I was willing to do so because I really wanted them, they help me work towards my breeding goal, and also because I consider overpaying to be a token of gratitude for holding the pixel pony for me.