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ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 5:56 PM

First you have to check the WHOLE pedigree of the horse. The + sign says there are more generations off the screen, but to see them all in one place you have to click the link at the top of the page:

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 5:57 PM

Once you do that you can see all the generations. You may have to scroll back and forth and up and down to see them all, but they are there. Here are some screen shots of an even and uneven pedigree zoomed WAY out so you can see all the horses names. (oops, looks like I chopped some off the top of the first one!)

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:00 PM

The top pedigree is your colt. The bottom pedigree is an evenly bred 7G horse.

(Remember, the horse whose pedigree you are looking at is not shown on this list, so you have to add 1 to get the right generation/column. It shows the horses PARENTS were 6G-they are in the 6th column from the right- so that means the actual horse will be 7G). Ok, this part is wrong...it DOES show the actual horse on the page....I had chopped it off!

The farthest right column is the foundation horses. The second column from the right is the 2G horses, etc.

If you add up the columns on the top pedigree you can see that the numbers don't match up.

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:12 PM

Some people don't care about even or uneven for show horses. Lots of people are very picky about even pedigrees for breeding horses. Remember that neither way is better. It is what you feel comfortable breeding.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 6:14 PM

Ok then how does one even out the pedigrees of the foals?

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:20 PM

You can't even out an uneven pedigree. The only way to get an even pedigree is to breed all the horses yourself, or to buy horses who already have even pedigrees. Even then there will be mix ups, you will make mistakes when you breed. Some of us just neuter them and move on, others keep them intact and use them to breed only horses that will be neutered themselves (but who will hopefully have pretty good PT scores and make good show horses)

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:22 PM

Personally, once it is past 4G I don't worry about it. I'm not up to 4G yet. I'm still working on my 2G herd.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 6:25 PM

Well I am wanting to produce quality even pedigree foals. So now I have to figure out how to do just that.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 6:27 PM

Now I go back to the drawing board.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 6:29 PM

Is this foal an even 2g foal?

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=531689

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:29 PM

Look at extended pedigrees. Or start from scratch and breed your own lines. You aren't going to get quality, even, 5th gen foals in a month or two starting from scratch...that's why so many people say that you have to look at the long term for this game. I've been playing this version since March and am just now getting my 2nd gen horses where I want them to be. It is also why the folks with the bigger barns get there faster, just basically because they breed HUGE numbers of foals each year (like, on H&J1 barns with 10,000 horses are not uncommon), increasing their chances of getting a good one.

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:32 PM

Yes. Dancers Heart is an even 2g. 2nd and 3rd generation are easy because you can see the whole fam-damliy right on the first page.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 6:37 PM

Ok then and thank you. I am trying to find great quality parents to start my lines from. I will go through the foals and start again. Thank you Confluence.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 6:46 PM

I know PocosFairy is uneven am I right in saying that this foal is 2gx3g?

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/full_pedigree.php?horseid=525409

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:53 PM

Yep, PocosFairy is 2/3.

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 19, 2016 6:56 PM

Do you have any Rank Special mares or stallions? They will be the best of the best.

Also, all those mixed gen horses you have? Neuter them and let them be your show ponies. They probably got higher PT scores than an even gen horse would have, and will be better at showing.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 8:13 PM

Ok I didn't think about adding them to my show string but that makes sense.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 8:14 PM

Not sure I am going through my barns right now. Are you talking about the herd helper horses?

Cheers · Sep 19, 2016 11:06 PM

Best--Rank Specials are the special herd helpers like Dark Chocolate and Stars and Stripes and whatever that Ammit gives us one create of for special occasions. All rank specials in this form of the game are perfect foundations.

Rank Specials and Perfect Foundations (a regular herd helper that comes up) are both the very best that a foundation horse can be in terms of both breeding and showing quality. All of the horses owned by owner #13, the Foundation Rescue, are perfect foundations (even if they didn't come from a perfect foundation herd helper).

You can buy horses from owner 13 in the horse search for slightly more than the basic create price (2750 instead of 2500) and this is a great place to build up your foundation herd. Usually the horses available are relatively plain chestnuts and bays, but they are still a good starting point!

Please note that rank 5 herd helpers are not intrinsically any better horses than rank 1s--the herd helper number ranks refer to the number of genes controlled or the rarity of the genes in the helper, so rank 1s are pretty plain and rank 5s are either quite specific or fairly rare.

best friend · Sep 19, 2016 11:19 PM

Ok thank you guys so much. This game is very intriguing and I have found out that I know very little about the genetics. I love learning.

PaintsStables · Sep 20, 2016 12:01 AM

@best friend
Info for you on my specific stable. I have one of those bigger stables, and I built my show string on breeding some very uneven horses. When I first joined HJ2 I didn't know about breeding even or uneven. I just bred for colors and patterns I liked. When I found out about even and uneven breeding, I still kept a few of my uneven horses intact. Very few of my uneven horses that the game left intact were bad producers of show horses. So like Confluence Farms, in the upper generations, uneven doesn't matter to me. In fact, one of my uneven Ice stallions still produces me some very nice show horses. More horses showing, equals bigger showing bonus. I have still kept a few intact uneven horses, and a few of them are *Star stallions. I always put the gen # and a 'U' in their name. An example: 4U Famous Stars BooBoo. He just aged out of the game, but I have good higher PT offspring from him that make me points for my showing bonus. I also show everything, including intact horses as well as altered.

Ammit · Sep 20, 2016 4:30 AM

Uneven pedigrees don't mater AT ALL mechanically. Breeding uneven ability will cause you to get less intact foals, because they don't pass testing as much.

best friend · Sep 20, 2016 6:08 AM

Right now I want to breed even lines because I want to be known as a great breeder on here for my black tobi pearl line of horses that are good at both.

Wildland Acres · Sep 20, 2016 9:50 AM

Cool, Friend. Being known as a great breeder is a great goal! I hope to see your gorgeous ponies on the leader boards someday. There are just some things o conceder. Being a great breeder means that you are careful with your breedings o produce higher quality horses. Just breeding even won't automatically get you there, as you get good, poor and a few great foals even out of even breedings, and a lot of the biggest barns here cull a majority of the foals off of traits they can't control, such as PT and papering anyway (some of them state that they don't look at the foals till after, so color doesn't really factor in) Breeding evenly is a good stately, especially if you don't have access to stallion papering, but it still has to be ruthless.
Now I hope I'm not creating a black mark for my name now, but my goal is to create quality horses of specific color patterns. I generally go for breeding within generations, but I do have uneven horses too if I know how they fit. (true, I have a few uneven mares that I have hanging around, but since it seems that one should snip most foals, i like that their offspring get that done automatically with the free testing so I know to sell them or put them in show barns. I call them my breeding show ponies. And I'm curious how their few intact fillies will do.) Now here is the part that will have even breeders cringe. I have currently decided to keep an uneven stallion foal. I'm not doing this because I don't care about quality. I'm doing this because I like his quality, and I know what quality he is and how he can help me. He was a mistake 'I thought his parents were both 2nd gen, but didn't pay attentions so he is 3/4 gen horse :/' and free testing left him intact even though he ended up papering less than his father. We have two major strikes against him for most breeders to geld him now. Comparison tested, and he is AGA my perfect foundation. Pt tested him just for the sake of it, and he got 9.9. Hmmm. If I used him in my 3rd or fourth "generation" pastures, I'd surely would be using poor judgement, because I'd be diluting the quality of my horses and basically only have intact mediocre stallions that I could put into my breeding program, that would further dilute it, but he is basically a fancy colored perfect foundation with the color I want in my herd. He's still young, so I haven't used him yet, but to me it seems that putting him in my foundation herd will help with quality of my foundations (since many of my mares are not perfect foundations yet) and will promote the colors I am looking for.
Sorry, a bit long. I guess what I am getting at is breeding even has it's benefits, and breeding uneven is risky, but I'd suggest keeping and breeding horses that, and in ways that will increase the quality of your stock. True, I haven't progressed forward very much yet, so maybe I am disproof of my own claim, and I do try to breed evenly or even quality levels. But yes, the one thing about this game is there really isn't any wrong way to play this game unless Ammit disapproves of it.

Ammit · Sep 20, 2016 11:05 AM

This is my testing account. I am breeding to get PT scores up as fast as possible for show horses and folding in some fancy color appies while I am at it. Only one of my studs is completely even. The rest are uneven.

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&bty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=12998&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d2=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit7=&kit11=&kit12=&kit8=&kit9=&kit10=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

But I am ruthless about testing and making sure I am seeing solid improvement, even using boosting on colts to make sure they are improving the line. It's not the even it's how hard you cull.

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