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White Spotted Silver Bay Roan Dun Ice Splash Appaloosa Frame

Ee aA C(prl)C dD gg Ff SS(sty) pP Zz saSa chch Kit(r)Kit(m) Sp(s)Sp I(i)I(I) LL(lp) ECA3P(+)ECA3P(+) rbrb OO(lw) WF: Light

These are really fun to guess at what the genetics might be, thanks for hosting! Also, for the record, this foal is so stinking cute!!

White Spotted Silver Bay Roan Dun Ice Splash Appaloosa

Ee aA C(prl)C dD gg ff SS pp Zz saSa Kit(m)Kit(r) Sp(s)Sp LL(lp) ECA3P+ECA3P+ OO(lw) I(i)I(I) WF: Minimal

White Spotted Silver Bay Ice Roan Dun Splash Frame Appaloosa

Ee aA CC dD gg Ff SSsty pP Zz saSa KitmKitr SpsSps LLlp ECA3P+ECA3P+ OOlw IIIi WF: Medium

Thanks @HunterUnderSaddleGirl! I really thought I was off the mark this time.

The way I worked it was as follows:

1. I looked at the foal, its sire, and its dam's colours.
2. Made a rough guesstimate of the foals colours from all three horses
3. Just worked my way through the parents genes using punnett squares and elimination/guessing genes based on my guesstimate of the foals colour.

And yes you are right with the resulting champagne dilutions:

Classic champagne: Uniform black horses (excluding bay) are diluted to classic champagne.

Gold champagne: chestnut/sorrel based horses are diluted to gold.

Amber champagne: Bay horses carrying champagne dilution are designated amber.

http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/Coat_Color/Champagne.asp

@Cadieness


1. If she is ff and people guessed it right - what was your clue? She looks like she has a lighter main than a bay would.

- The foal actually has silver (Z), which is the black-based equivalent of flaxen. Figuring out whether the foal had ff or Ff is all up to chance guess there. Flaxen only works on ee horses, while silver works on Ee or EE horses. Interestingly enough, silver is dominant and only needs one copy to show, while flaxen is recessive and therefore needs both copies.



2. I didn't see any dabbling so I discounted S(+) - is this right? The FAQ doesn't have much on S(+).

- While S+ does tend to increase the possibility of dappling, it's not 100% guaranteed, as far as I know. That was probably a safe guess, though.



3. If they are het for something (lets say silver in this case) but it could have come from either parent, does it default to one or the other? or is this just a 50/50 guess as to which one is correct?

- 50/50. Each parent is individually calculated for what they'll pass on and the foal is generated based on that, rather than the foal being generated based on the possibilities and then the genes assigned. Each parent has a 50/50 chance of passing on that gene.



4. How does kit gene inheritance work? Do punnett squares work for this? So she could only be Kit(M)Kit(r), Kit(M)Kit(to), Kit(Sb2)Kit(r), or Kit(sb2)Kit(to)?

- Bingo. Kit genes pass on just like any other genes: there are just more options for what sits on that genetic location total, not any more possibilities for an individual horse.



5. Appys - can they only be hom + or PATN and het +/Het PATN and never just het +/PATN without the other gene (does this make sense?)? I did a quick search of my own herd (the first two pages) and I didn't see any that were het 1 gene only.

- PATN1 is an appy-modifying gene. The locus for PATN1 only shows up in testing if the horse is an appy, because it "doesn't matter" otherwise. It's the same way you'll only see a horse gene code with sasa or saSa, never SaSa.



6. How do you name champagnes?

- Looks like the others beat me to it. Ee/EE aa is classic, ee is gold, E with A or A+ is amber, and E with At is sable.

Thanks guys! And sorry for my spelling mistakes/grammar. I was at work in the middle of the night :))