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- Amour33 October 2018
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Continued experiment success: A third way of breeding.
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Ok, so it has been a while since I have talked about this, so I don't know how many know. With an accidental account I created on HJ1 right when I started playing and didn't realize there were two servers I decided to run an experiment. I had a handful on random create mares, an uneven 2/3 cross colt and miraculously a Diamond age stud. I didn't think to grad the extra barn for new people, so back at that time I had 20 stalls and 10 pasture spaces, and no money. What do you do? Right?
This is what I did:
I like putting two different stallions in the pasture and letting them breed randomly, but with a 1 stallion pasture I divided the mares with the stallions based of of who would most likely produce live foals (I did not genetic test though, because I did not want that to influence future breeding decisions with the descendants). I would then take the offspring from one stallion line and breed them to the other and vise versa. I did not breed by generation! I had no room for that jazz, and I started with an uneven stud to begin with with foundation mares. I bred all the mares to those stallions and BAed the foals. I would run comparison test on the colts and keep a cot that was superior to sire to take over the line (I liked to think of it as with wild horses when a young stronger stallion takes over a herd). With what little room I couldn't keep a show horse herd, so survived off of auctioning spelded, creating and selling rank specials, and grabbing the 5k weekly pay and really not spending money on anything (I really didn't do much, so it was nice that this account was my main one) I quickly ran out of room for more mares, so every month I calculated afpt on my meager band and culled the lowest ones to equal the number of intact fillies I got. Very often most foals would be snipped especially when I started breeding superior colts, but I didn't have much room anyways.
Eventually with meager living I was able to gain a basic upgrade and an extra 90 stall? barn. I will have to check on that. I now am just keeping all the mares till I run out of room in my pasture again and put the best representative from each stud line in it and let it breed randomly, and the extra barn I am working on filling with show foals, though I don't get on enough to actually show them so that is a kink in the system, but if someone was playing regularly this would be a good start to getting a show herd down. At least they are being trained now so they should have the opportunity to get more points when I do show them.
Now what about quality? What is even going on with this not even generation but not bootstrapped sort of breeding? Well my new stallion I was excited about aged up and (Fortunately/ unfortunately?) produced a superior colt his first season. I got curious, and papered this colt and he is a star boy! His pedigree is a catywonkous mess, but he is more or less fourth gen ish, and I think it can be said that improvement is being made in these strange uneven lines. haha. I kinda feel sad because I have a feeling there isn't going to be any more intact foals from my early mares, but they are about to age out anyway.
And here is the boy, I am probably going to see a dip in intact percentage again, but I know only my best mares are contributing to the next breeding crop now. XD
Lancelott
Another thing that I think will be interesting is to one day genetic test my herd once I have had a few more generations in and see what has happened to my potentially lethal genes (Various whites and frame were in my original herd thanks to various rank specils and the Diamond Age base stud) I lost 5 foals out of 25 a typical ratio so far, but with how much white is one so many of the horses I kinda expected more. Will these genes be naturally selected against, or will they stay at this sort of equilibrium or will they eventually start taking most of my foal crops? This is largely due to chance, I don't even know if my studs have frame, but ones that due will likely create more dead foals than those without, but let's see. -
This is an interesting method. I may try it on my secondary basic upgraded account that is currently just sort of sitting in limbo. I’d have the added bonus of already having a decent dollar amount in the bank and a few extra barns. Pretty sure I should have a few mares left breedable to use as a base.
I’d be interested in seeing the genetics of what’s been passed on through the years and if the frame or other white patterns did lastThanked by 1Wildland Acres -
Ok, I am at the point where I really need to decide when to do that. I probably should do the older gals soon, but I got a superior colt from each stud line this month and they have a different feel to them than the others. I am thinking get a foal crop or two out of them first and then I'll test. There are a lot of horses who have the frame look to them, but I think only one or two fillies from this year that look it. Also the star guy's father is so totally white 1 (I think that is right, I don't have the whites down well) but neither of his parents have that look, so I am excited to see what was going on there. I find this method really works to keep from the problem my "eve' breeding on this account is suffering from with keeping on breeding so many more lower gen and therefore quality horses that I don't have room to really develop the higher gens. I also am using this method on my bootstrap herd now that it is rather developed with all golds and passing advice.
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I’ve been doing a massive sort, snip and reorganization on my main accounts on each server the last month or so and I loved finding a few wild white patterned foals from conservatively not showing a lot of white grullo parents
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So I logged in and went through all my barns and threw all my mares into the pasture and it was a very... motley crew lol checked my hh’s and had an Expro and a few more bay hh’s.
Decided to start all the mares at the same point so went through the older mares and separated all the bay mares without foals (I had been collecting them the last time I really sat down to play this account lol most of the foals had been auctioned off) and bred all the mares left in the pasture.
Switching the bay group into the pasture I spayed all of the mares coming out and all the foals. The mares have a few hundred points each so will stay showing and be foals will probably be auctioned off eventually. I also gelded the other studs I had been holding on to but not really loving.
I have a mix of Expro, foundation rescue and regular create mares and 1 expro stud so far. Will be going through the foundation rescue later today for a fancy bay to stick in there too.
Did you add in different foundations after your original band or did you just keep replacing them with the lines mares coming up. I’m thinking I’d like to eventually switch out the regular creates for Expros.
I also think I may take advantage of the new members discount for the extra pasture and 3month upgrade for $1.99 and use the smaller pasture for lined breeding in the future.
- Bandit1119Thanked by 1Wildland Acres -
Definitely bookmarking this! I've been wanting to start an account for Mongolian horses but was having a hard time figuring out how to mirror breeding. Typically nomads have large semi-domesticated herds that intermingle with wild populations, resulting in hardiness and high genetic diversity. I wasn't sure how to do that in-game except by bringing in an outside stud every once in a while. It sounds like this method would select for the "hardiest" breeders while still maintaining high genetic diversity.
That said, I have no time for a new account right now, but when I do, I have a plan!ID# 43830
|<> Favorite flavors: wild bay, S+, satin, and ice 9. <>|Thanked by 1Wildland Acres -
Ended up picking 3 foundation rescue studs. One is a yearling so he will replace one of the other 2 in a few seasons. I also moved my Expro mares and stud into the 10 acre pasture and topped off the 60 acre with other bay herd helpers so have lots of different gene combos happening. Tobiano, splash, rabicano, dun, w20, frame, and appy to name a few. I may cull the lighter bay roan splash dun mares in favour of the darker bay mares if I find more I like. I’d like to add other whites to play with the frame down the line.Thanked by 1Wildland Acres
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After I had the original group I kept creating rank special mares and keeping them for differing amounts of time. I want to say I still have 3 or 4 rank special foundation mares (Out of a mare herd of 30) between the ages of 15 and 19 at the moment. I don't add horses anymore. As I am breeding star, adding foundations really would be pointless. Other horses could be added, but I just haven't. With how color based I am on this account it is kinda fun to just kick back and see what goes on with minimal interference over there.
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And I am thinking I will probably do the genetic testing and see the percentages of potentially lethal genes sometime this month if I can ever excuse putting time into such a project. It is so based on genetic drift that I don't know if it really matters what happened, but I am getting increasingly interested, and Bandit is egging me on. haha
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I've also been playing around with an uneven herd, an even herd, and starting a traditional bootstrap herd. My even and uneven herd I've been working with since April when I joined and my uneven herd has by far given me the best results. I do mine a bit different but not far from yours. The best I've got from my even herd is a few second gen A/Blue colts and fillies bred from ExPro foundations. My uneven heard has given me SBA passed star and gold foals. I do have a larger snipped ratio than Intacts currently but by keeping only those who pass SBA I know my herd is moving forward and not in reverse the altered either join the show herd or sell at auction depending if I need some quick HBs or not. This is also setting up my bootstrap herd as I paper the fillies first and If I get a blue from my star stallion I'll send those fillies there without further testing. Here is the newest testing passed Gold filly I got from my uneven herd just lastnight.
Mystery in the NorthThanked by 1Wildland Acres -
@woodland acres Did you track all the foal PT’s or ignore the ones auctioned off.
Lol I don’t mean to be pushing you to do anything you don’t want to do, I just got a bit excited there lol.
I was actually planning to start a line breeding this way a few months ago. I started collecting bay mares preferring white and splash with frame.
But I started playing hunt and jump on it’s infancy (end of 2006) so by the time boot strapping became a thing I had even generation breeding ingrained in my DNA lol and it really calms my mind down seeing pedigrees that end on the same vertical line and all the spots filled in. (Especially if all the horses in the pedigree have the same base coat colour :D)
But I wanted to try a different way of going without the extreme full pedigree stud crossed on foundation mares.
I like to have a plan in place before starting things and I’m not really sure why the mares didn’t make it to the pasture with the stud I had and then I ended up having a super busy summer and barely kept my main accounts going but now that they’re 8 they’re in and everything is all set up and after the auction runs tomorrow my barns will be cleaned up they’re sort of a hodgepodge mess at the moment with auction horses stuffed everywhere from my create spree.
I’ve also made a goal to create 10 new Expro yearlings mares the next few months to add to the pastures with the 2nd Gen mares and switch out the low AFPT yellow mares until everything is up to red foundationsThanked by 1Wildland Acres -
Nice! haha
No. I did not keep track... And then I found that my method of calculating afpt was inaccurate, so I really should have, but what's done is done. haha. It's a learning process.