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Green Broke Horse Basics
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So as I’ve worked with horse people I’ve noticed we all have our own opinions on horses; which can make some things a little confusing sometimes. Currently I am training two horses, and I’ve noticed there’s a lot of gray on the term ‘green broke’ so I’m doing a little digging on the subject. I’d like you guys to tell me what skills you expect a horse to have when they’re labeled green broke.
Example
They can
Stand while mounting and dismounting
Walk
Trot
Lope/Canter (both directions)
Stop
Back up a few steps
Turn both directions with direct rein
Disengage hindquarters
Move shoulders over
They’re not amazing at any of these skills, but they can do them.
(There is not right or wrong answer, I’d just like everyone’s “personal” opinion.) -
I think this is a good representation! Id add in lots of de sensitization stuff like bags, noodles, blankets, balls, water as well. And basic trailering.DivineDreams ~ 30908
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I would add good ground manners, perhaps?
And good point! I've seen green mean anything from one ride to "5 years old, does all the things the big horses do, but doesn't have a neck rein yet!"ID# 43830
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Good overall ground manners, including:
Easy to pick up feet
Can groom all over
Lead/tie quietly
Ok to hose/bathe
Stands for farrier
Loads easily and trailers fairly well.
(I figure if they can do all of these things, the desensitization process has been done well. I’m looking to not have to fight to do these things, not for perfect manners necessarily)
Longe/roundpen/long rein (whatever is appropriate to your riding discipline)
Stand to mount/dismount
All 3 gaits both directions
Halt
Back up
I’d like them to know what ground poles are (eventer here)
Free jump a little
I would also like a horse to have some trail miles on him/her, whether led, ponied, or ridden. Just some time working outside a ring.
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I look at it diffentely. I do everything in steps.
Say my horse just learning to halter. I furst working getting to accept the halter before I ever ask them to lead.
Or say you have a horse that nippy when tacking. I go 5 steps back to just standing When we can get a calm happy accepting horse at standing. We add brushing. Keep building.
I never class a horse because each horse is so different.
My boy danny been stuck on mostly ground work but he does ride. He even competed. But he spooky and jumpy.
Then Lampoon is really calm easy going guy. I never saddle him yet. He only 3yr but I have laid on him. He doesnt give to bucks.
So which horse is green broke? The one that has competed or the calm accepting horse?
Way I look at it is, if my horse cant handle the small stuff he out of control, we need to go backwards to beyond that point and rebuild going forward. My horse wont stand to be mounted, hes out of control. Need go backwards.
You cant have a good strong, long lasting house without havung furst built a better foundation for it to stand on. Same applys to the horse.
Ill give you a tip. Let your horse win. Much easier in the long run to allow him to work out the new reward you want him to have vs fighting or showing him whos boss.Thanked by 1BlackWyld -
The term Green broke means different things to different people. When it comes to "Horses for sale" ads, as a minimum people use it to mean you can sit on the horse, ask it to move and probably not die. No guarantee of manners, ground or mounted. It may be spooky, bolt, buck and have all types of bad behaviours. Based on horses I have tried, and bought, I do not expect it to mean that the horse will load on trailers, stand perfectly to mount etc. Those are a bonus. I used to consider my horses were still only green broke until such time until they mentally matured and had at least a full year of riding on them and were predictable, inside and outside of the ring, on and off property. Notice that I used the word predictable, not well behaved. There are many high level competition horses that are well broke, predictable in behaviour, but it is not a behaviour I want to deal with.
Green broke is really a term that I do not put a lot of faith in when I am looking at horses. It is really buyer beware. -
I have to agree with DragonRun on this one. Green broke to me means simply you can try sitting on the horse and it may or may not try and kill you. We had a horse my gandparents bought for us kids for Christmas when we all moved out here to Florida. It was sold to them by friends with full knowledge that this horse was for children who have never ridden before. They were told she was green broke and we rode her multiple times at the ladies place in a round pen before we brought her home. We always had to call before hand and she was always in the round pen saddled and ready and obviously had been worked hard prior to us getting there. One time the lady was in the hospital because one of her horses broke her arm, and multiple ribs, we later found out it was this horse. When we finally got her home she was nasty. None of us kids could ride her. She bucked my dad off once and proceed to try and stomp him into the ground. We eventually had enough and sold her to a lady who fell in love with her. We told the couple everything and even drew up a contract that said we were not liable and that it was a full disclosure on the type of horse they were getting and at anytime if they had enough they could bring her back with a full refund.
That was suppose to be a green broke horse.
I think peoples experiences is what builds their definition of the term.
I would not expect a green broke horse to be rideable but I would at least expect decent ground manners and for them to sit relatively still for a farrier. -
I've seen "green broke" applied to everything from they can do what you listed to you might be able to get a halter on him without him trying to kill you so.... :-))
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Like DragonRun said - I remember back when I was looking around for my first horse, my mom was very adamant that if the ad had the words “green broke” we weren’t even going to consider it, lol. Then again, we were looking for “bombproof” for my first since I’d had minimal experience before that.
Now, for a green broke, I’d consider buying it if I was looking for a project horse, to put it lightly. My experience with the words “green broke” in any sort of sales ad pretty much means there’s more work to be done than there should be for the horse’s age. :PISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
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I think green broke means it can easily lead, and can get on, and kinda trot around. Maybe give to the bridle some, and will usually lope off. Is comfortable with a rider, even if they aren't sure what to do yet. Can turn left and right, and can trust them to go around in a bigger arena.Breeder of any and all crazy colored drafts and RH horses.
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I train my own, so for one to leave my place as green, they have to be used to riding, know what cues mean what, manageable on the ground, things like that. Basically they need to know the basics, just need more time fine tuning these things until a rider can know what to expect from the horse.
I've seen folks sell em as green broke if they've only thrown a saddle on or purely lie saying the horse is green and it's barely halter broke. That's why I always try before I buy and when I do get one home I work them like they do that know anything to assess how much they do know.