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Ammit · Aug 23, 2018 12:03 PM

This is just a reminder that you can't place rules on your public horses. It does not matter if you called them suggestions if they are clearly rules in spirit. Thank you for helping to make sure this game is friendly for all players. :x

SpryOfJune · Aug 24, 2018 2:05 AM

I don't do any type of rules, for anything on here, but I'm asking for reference and knowledge. Would it be okay/appropriate to say in the notes, something such as,
"My suggestions for breeding to this Stallion are:
Breeding to the same paper level.
Snipping anything that doesn't paper as good as he is.
Etc.
You would be more likely to get better foals if done this way, but don't feel like you have to do it this way. It's your mare, breed as you'd like." ?
More asking, because that's not exactly "rules" as the owner is/would be stating no one *has* to go by them. They're just saying those things helping others maybe get better foals from breedings.
Again, I'm not doing this, but I'm only curious about it.

ConfluenceFarms · Aug 24, 2018 2:51 AM

I think the way you have phrased it definitely sounds more like "helpful hints" than conditions for breeding, so I would think it is ok, but Ammit has the final say.

SpryOfJune · Aug 24, 2018 2:53 AM

Thanks for the info, Confluence... And I understand...

Ammit · Aug 24, 2018 9:04 AM

The question I would ask is why put that at all? The people who care about breeding well will read the forum and FAQs and the tutorial and learn how to do so. The people who don't want to learn that aren't going to read or follow that anyways. So it is just making work for yourself.

SpryOfJune · Aug 25, 2018 4:54 AM

That makes sense, really. Thanks.

DinaChill · Aug 25, 2018 3:18 PM

The only thing I tend to write on the notes is take care with frame or take care with white - which I assume is ok. It is there as a reminder really :)

Ammit · Aug 25, 2018 3:56 PM

Yep, that is totally fine. :)

Lallyhop · Aug 25, 2018 6:52 PM

What about asking to “please gene/pt test even if they get snipped”, making sure to phrase as a request and not a requirement? I don’t currently have any that I’ve got up for public stud/brood that I care about the AFPT/genetics, but asking just out of curiosity.

ConfluenceFarms · Aug 25, 2018 7:11 PM

No, you can't ask, or even imply, that the mare owner DO anything.

ColorGoodStables · Aug 31, 2018 2:27 AM

I usually add caution for frame/white which has been answered but I often put notes on my stallions for myself. They aren't intended as rules for others, just guidelines for myself.
I have bootstrapped lines so their notes read something like this "best for breeding show pons, snip all foals/line back daughters" then I have other colts that I use less so I try to keep notes on them to help me remember why I kept them. Such as "2nd gen, breed to other 2ndgens. Use for *specific gene*/breed to *insert several select mares names here*"
Is this still okay? I know most people ignore rules and we aren't supposed to have them for public breeding. Should I add "personal notes, discard if for public stud"
Hopefully that makes sense. It's been a long day!

ConfluenceFarms · Aug 31, 2018 3:26 AM

Think about it this way; We are trying to avoid the 'you bred your fugly 3G mare to my gorgeous 6G GMT'd stallion and your foal is junk so spay/geld it or else' attitude. If your notes make it VERY clear that they are just for your in house breedings it would probably pass muster. The owner notes were designed for you to use for you, so we wouldn't want to discourage that part.

If you want to stand horses on the public boards, though, at some point you're just going to have to accept the fact that they WILL be used by people for reasons you disagree with, and you will have NO recourse to address that.

(Does that make any sense? I agree, it really HAS been a long day! )

MariaChapinFarm3 · Sep 9, 2018 12:26 AM

What about straws? If you sell straws, could you hypothetically ask the person buying them to follow certain breeding guidelines? I personally don't use any rules, but I know that there was a (little) confusion over on Hj1 and I just wanna clear it up.

kintara · Sep 9, 2018 12:59 AM

As far as I understand it, if you are selling straws privately then yes you can stipulate how they are used, although again there is nothing in place to restrict that

levesel2 · Sep 9, 2018 1:20 AM

He HJ1 controversy is over selling straws with breeding rules on the public forum breeding ads and sales

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 9, 2018 1:25 AM

Nor is there anything in place to stop the person who buys those straws from NOT keeping their promises. The only thing you could do is block them, and you will have to say why you've blocked them, and we come back around to the whole drama/clique thing again. So just be careful.

Ragtatter · Sep 9, 2018 1:34 AM

XD Man, where do people who try to do this find the time and energy? I hardly have time to keep track of what I'm doing, let alone what everyone who ever bought a straw from me is doing.

kintara · Sep 9, 2018 2:16 AM

There used to be no LE gene restrictions like there is now Ragtatter, and things quickly got out of control when rarer genes got shared indiscriminately, so there was lots of breeding rules. But now with the LE and Fantasy licences, and chat groups it's a lot easier to share

Ragtatter · Sep 9, 2018 2:22 AM

Honestly I don't like the LE restrictions, so a lack of them wouldn't bother me. I still wouldn't be chasing down every mating and straw.

Then again, I breed animals (rabbits) in real life. If I gene I like is common, that means I always have the ability to bring in new great stock with it. If the gene is rare, that just makes my life more difficult.

kintara · Sep 9, 2018 2:30 AM

You might not, others would. Besides Ammit has to make money somehow to keep the game running, people aren't going to buy the rarer genes with real money if they are everywhere and can easily be bought with minimal game cash

Ragtatter · Sep 9, 2018 4:52 AM

My entire point is that I don't understand how people find the time/energy/motivation to keep track of what other people are doing with straws they bought who knows how long ago XD. Whether or not genes are open or closed is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

DinaChill · Sep 9, 2018 9:34 AM

With the restriction in place we can no longer buy straws or intact genes that we don't hold a licence for so Ammit is covered. As for rarer non restricted genes
surely it's better to share the love The people here like to be generous and I think that's great :)

levesel2 · Sep 9, 2018 1:40 PM

Right, but the question that was being brought up is: Can you place breedin rules when selling straws on the public forums like the Breeding Ads and Sales because that is situation in question on HJ1 at the moment

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 9, 2018 5:46 PM

Ammit has the final word, of course, but I would say that nothing that is sold to the public can have any conditions or restrictions. The forum is public. If you want to put conditions and restrictions on a horse sale, breeding, straw/egg sale, anything, you need to keep it private in a chat room or negotiate via PM. That means you can only advertise in chat rooms.

I do think you could put up a general; "I have breedings available via private treaty, contact me if you are interested", since that is very general. No specific horse names, or qualities. Then you could add interested parties to your chat room, or work out restrictions/conditions over PM. Again, I will defer to Ammits decisions on this one.

Standard reminder: If there are any conflicts that arise from restrictions/conditions they need to be dealt with privately and should not involve drama of any kind, the forum, or admin.

levesel2 · Sep 9, 2018 5:55 PM

Confluence, can you post this on the HJ 1 thread about Hidden Gates stallion straws for sale?
http://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/31199/hidden-gates-hz-kp-dp-sab-1-straws#Item_13

Maribo · Sep 9, 2018 7:31 PM

@levelsel2 See the last post in this thread: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/8907/private-treaty-breeding-for-premium-members-no-breeding-rules-allowed-on-the-public-list-anymore#Item_13

Ammit says:

Nope if they are not up for breeding it does not mater. You can have all the rules you want for straws/private treaty etc.

ConfluenceFarms · Sep 9, 2018 7:56 PM

Good point, Maribo. I would say that until Ammit says otherwise that post would be the one to go by.

levesel, My post was my interpretation of the rule. My job is to enforce the rules as they stand, and as far as I can tell Ammit says "you can have all the rules you want for straws."

Ammit · Sep 10, 2018 8:37 AM

It is only the actual public breeding boards that have the limitations. Public, in this case, means the open searchable list that the game provides.

Straws you have to send yourself and are 100% up to you. It is ok to sell straws on the public forum with rules.

Ren · Sep 12, 2018 12:42 AM

So then straw rules are allowed to be posted on horses pages then? Personally I don't have any but I have a decent amount of straws and honestly won't remember who might have what rules unless it is on that stallions page. :-S

Cheers · Sep 12, 2018 1:26 AM

That’s the way I’m reading it, Ren.

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