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Oh. I was expecting more firm wording haha. I've probably sent 1/3 of my herd (that passed the GA and MA). Thanks!

I send my foals through GA/SMA first and rarely have anyone get altered by SAT. I think GA and MA are stricter tests, but every once in a while it will alter one that got through. I agree the wording is a little wishy-washy.

So what would you consider a good PT in the first generation using C foundation studs and foundation mares? Is there a cutoff I should be using for those studs? Like, how much does PT of a mare or stud affect breeding or showing abilities of the foals? I'm looking to best improve my breeding stock, but only have 2 year olds and younger from the horses I purchased when I first got here. If it helps, on this version, I'm premium so I have all testing available.

Phantom--

I PT everything. I'm looking for my foundation mares to have an Average Foal PT of 10.0 or above by age 9. Some of my foundation mares have PTs below 5.0 (a few have a PT below 1.0 and AFPTs above 10).

I cull my lined foals based on PT, not because I think the lower PT foals are lower quality but because I have to draw the line somewhere! So my gen 2s started at 9.5 but I'm now up to where they have to be awfully special 9.8 or 9.9s to stay intact in my herd... The top PT I've seen on a gen 2 is 10.5.

You can find your horses' AFPT at the bottom of their family page.

Hey Dark Misf!

There is no right or wrong way. But I can give you an idea of what I expect from my herd. My program is based loosely on Abbey Road's, but other players like Paints Stable have a completely different philosophy and produce high quality horses I'm happy and proud to have in my herd. So seriously, you need to decide what your goals are, how much time and attention you want to devote to culling and how hard line you want to be when those really gorgeous foals come along...

Papering:
I want my foundation stallions to be C papered and AGA rank specials/perfect foundations. I want my mares to be Red.

Gen 2 B papered, my benchmark is AGA an A papered gen 2 stallion. Mares Red, starting to get some Blues.

Gen 3 and 4, A papered. I want my gen 4s to test Superior to their sires (this isn't happening for me yet). I want all Blues by gen 4, hopefully starting to get *Golds...not happening yet here either!

Gen 5 and up, *Star papered. Once I build my herd to getting homebreds at gen 5-6, I will really want all *Golds by gen 6.

I would say that I think my papering goals are pretty aggressive--I think as long as your colts are superior to their sires (if you have access to the ComparisonTest) then you're fine.

I cull my mares if they have 3 foals altered by testing, if their AFPT is lower than I want it to be for their generation, or if they produce colts that paper WAY below where I want them to be. I also cull fillies that PT below where I want them to but that is more because I produce a lot more foals than I need than because I think they aren't up to my quality standards.

I should also mention that all of my mares live in pastures and have the full pasture bonus...

Build that show bonus! It really pays off in the long run!

I also PT all my horses. I show ALL my horses. I have a very high showing bonus each week because I show everything. So, I am really lenient with who gets to stay intact as far as foundations go. The higher generations, if they don't fit into my lines they go. Except my GP line, I am a hoarder when it comes to my GP line. If they do fit into my lines, then they go through the process below.

I also have had foundation mares in the past with 0.2 and 0.4 PT's. Their AFPT was around 10. So if they pass SAT and SMA. I will test breed all mares for three times. Paper them, both of the above mares papered 'Red'. So they stayed intact, and I bred them. I still have some low PT mares, under 3.5 PT. My lowest right now is a 1.9 PT, but she has an AFPT of 10.2. She did only paper yellow, but she is having nice babies, that are showing a profit at 5 years. Some of my other yellow papered mares have also produced higher PT foals, and have over 10 AFPT. If the yellow papered mares don't have a good AFPT of 9.5 then they get spayed. Same with my older gens. Except my AFPT minimum goes up with each gen.

The stallions, I will paper right away. Then compare against the other colts, of the same gen, that papered the same. If they compare AGA each other, then I also breed them, at least three times. I geld the ones that don't have good PT foals. The better stallions, I go by how they fit into my breeding lines. I put some up for sale, or geld ones that the color isn't right for the line I was going for. But, like Cheers and a few others, I still have way too many stallions.

The breeding ability of the mares will factor in to how well the colts will paper. So will whether the horses are in pasture, because of the breeding boost the mares get as they stay there (this means their foals abilities will be drawn from the upper part of the mares' potential, dropping the lower end of the range.).

I have a C papered foundation stallion in my HaJ 1 account who has given me a sizeable handful of A papered sons while in pasture. :-O