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So much to understand...
  • Okay, so I'm pretty new to this game and have spent the last two breeding seasons just breeding everything and seeing what is prettiest. Most of my foals this month were gelded/spayed which I'm guessing means I'm not doing it right. Should I be leaving my mares in the pastures 24/7 to get the pasture bonus?
    I want to breed 'messy' horses so I was hoping to make a line that combines appaloosa with something, but I have no idea how to go about doing this. Do I start with one Appy stallion and one other coat mare or multiple mares? Also, what coats work well with appaloosa?
    I have picked up a few brindle horses. I remember seeing somewhere that they are valuable, but I have no idea what it means?
    Finally, I am only beginning to understand parts of the genetics. I produced this foal this month and I was hoping someone could explain how I seem to have made a completely different colour to the parents?
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    GrulloAppy022
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    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • The grullo came from the dam. The foal picked up the E (black gene) from the dam, and the D (dun gene). The foal also missed any agouti genes (any variation of A gene, an a means they carry no agouti or bay). A grullo is basically a black dun horse. The appy came from the sire.
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  • So if I bred the mare again with a stallion that had two recessive a genes (aa), would it come out Grullo again? I'm only just starting to remember the terminology and this is beyond my GCSE knowledge haha
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • There would be closer to a 25% chance it would be a grullo, since the dam only carries one copy of E. There is just as likely a chance the foal would come out a red dun, and just as likely a chance it would come out without the dun gene.
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  • Using the search engine is very helpful for learning the gene codes. if you limit your search to only horses with appaloosa [lp] then you can see the code of the colours you like and try to produce that code in your barn.
    The people here are really great, so ask many questions in the forum :)
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  • Okay, correct me if I am wrong, but there is always two of each type of genetics. Lower case is recessive, uppercase is dominant. The mother has two uppercase EE, doesn't that mean two copies or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
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    YULELOG
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    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • No sorry, i was trying to glance at horses and chase kids around while getting over mono. You are right, the dam will always pass on the E and D. However, the foal could wind up a brown dun if the foal gets the copy of At, or a grullo if they get the copy of a.
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  • Okay, I think I understand. I had no idea how complicated this game was going to get.
    So can you explain what a brindle is? I have a few mares, but none of their foals have come out brindle and I've seen somewhere that it is 'different' maybe?
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • Brindle is a mutation and is not exactly inheritable. You could breed on here for several real life years and only breed one or two brindle foals. Having one parent ups the chances of a brindle foal slightly, by like 1% maybe. But it’s still possible to get a brindle foal when there are no brindle horses in the pedigree at all.
  • Ahh, okay thankyou. Are they quite valuable then? For example the mare? I cannot even begin to fathom learning values of everything yet.
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

    ID 47350
  • It varies. The mare would definitely be worth something, Yule Logs are always in demand. Some people hoard brindles and breed them just in hopes for a brindle foal.
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  • Okay. So next question. Sorry if I'm being a little thick lol
    Most of my mares were in the pastures for 10-12 days before breeding, yet 20 out of 26 foals were gelded/spayed. Does this mean I did something wrong? It's very frustrating as all of the cool coats were gelded and I was left with a couple of plain stallions and a filly that is almost the exact copy of her mother.
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • Were the stallion and mares equal breeding quality? Meaning, was it a foundation stallion to foundation mares, or was it a higher quality stallion (lined) to foundation mares? If it was a foundation stallion to foundation mares, it just means you had a run of bad luck and try again next season. If it was a higher quality stallion to lower quality mares, then it’s normal.
  • I have no idea. Definitely foundation mares, I'll check to see what stallion I used now
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

    ID 47350
  • Yes, all were foundation horses. Does it matter that some are exceptional ones like exceptional producers and exceptionally perfect?
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • It can, but I don’t have much experience with mixing exceptional and regular foundations. So I’m not the best person to answer that question
  • Okay, thankyou. I think that is about as much as my brain can take in today. I bought the account upgrade as it worked out to be about £1.80 so I have the notes on the home screen. Been slowly writing down things that I don't understand on there, so will probably be asking more questions from now on :)
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

    ID 47350
  • The Beginners Barn buddy chat is a great place to join as well. Lots of experience players in there that will answer questions when they are online :)
  • Okay, I think I am in there. Thankyou so much for your help :)
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

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  • In my experience, you have the best bet breeding exceptional to exceptional, or normal to normal. Try for at least a 15 day pasture bonus. 30 is even better. I have had about 70-75% success using tjose methods
  • Okay, I have the meadow that two stallions go in, so at the moment all my mares that I want to breed from are in there and I'll add my favorite two stallions next month (everything has already bred this month)
    Still fumbling around this awesome game :)
    I want to make a line of Grullo Splash Appaloosa Rabicano, any help would be appreciated :)

    ID 47350
  • This link goes to a thread that is Awesome at explaining how the different letters in the genes work if you want to read it.

    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/59603/help-with-the-color-genes-in-this-stallion
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  • Your best chance at intact foals is generally going to be matching papers (which exceptionals are a higher paper (B/red) than regular foundies (C/yellow)). While matching generations tends to help ensure paper matching, it’s not always going to work, especially if one side of the pedigree advanced faster than the others.

    Now, because breeding symmetrical pedigrees is seen as superior by part of the population here, you’ll have a bigger market for your foals if you match generations, but if all you care about is making sure the most foals pass, then you’ll want to pay attention to paper more than to generations (so pairing a second generation B papered stud out of a yellow/C pairing with a red papered exceptionally perfect mare should have a better chance of an intact foal than pairing a regular C foundation stud with that ExPerf mare). If you want the best of both workds, so to speak, you’ll want to match paper and generation together to give yourself the biggest market.

    Then again, keep in mind that selling foals isn’t your main income here anyways - show ponies are. Selling foals is a nice little bit of bonus cash, but show horses are your main income and are how you’re gonna get rich here. So don’t stress too much about snipped foals - just keep them and admire them in your show herd, and watch the hbs roll in :D
    ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!

    God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
    The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
    And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time.
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