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Papering Question
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How are people able to tell if a horse is a low, mid or high C, B, Yellow, Red, Blue, etc..? I can't figure it out or are people estimating based off of the horse's papers they bred together.ID 19665
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I dont know how others do it, but i go off of the foals pt score. Ex: 2nd gen, b papered colt, Pt score 9.90.
that would be mid, wheras i'd see 10 and up as high and 9.80 and below as (low).Thanked by 1S00ner0rLater -
Generally those people have an idea based on comparison testing, as far as I can tell. If you have three Bs, and each one is superior to sire, then you can tell higher/lower papers that way. After a while I’m sure people get to the point they can eyeball it to some extent based on the parents.ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
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I don't take PT into consideration at all since PT and breeding quality are unrelated.
When I first noticed people using "high" vs "low" and asked about it. what I came away with and apply for myself is like this -
Say you breed two foundations that are your basic C/Yellow. You get a foal that passes BA and papers C. Since it wouldn't be unreasonable to hope for a B, I'd call that colt a "high" C. (lol Hi-C). If a foal papers higher than I would have expected, I think of them as being "low" - like they just squeaked past the line into the higher level. If you comparison test and the colt with the same papers as his sire tests superior, I'd think of the foal as being "high", the sire mid-low.
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Also say you have a red papered mare and it produces a red papered foal with a B papered sire and the red papered foal is cut on BA then it is likely that the mare the mare is a mid or high red as its foal of the same paper got spayed.Thanked by 1S00ner0rLater
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So...a lot of it is comparison testing. It’s also about average foal PT compared to other horses bred in the same cohort. And some of it is just knowing.
So one thing to know is all Exceptional foundations are middle B/Red. Perfect foundations are high C/Yellow.
I personally keep “benchmark” stallions at each generation. They are all high for their generation (so low to mid As for gen 2, mid to high As for gen 3, low stars for gen 4). My colts have to compare as good as those benchmarks. If I get a colt who compares superior, he becomes my new benchmark.
Comparison testing is really expensive especially if you don’t have a premium upgrade. If you can’t afford to do a ton of comparison testing, don’t sweat it. Superior to sire is fine. Or just Papering and using breeding advice/SBA. If you do comp test, remember to write down your results somewhere. Nothing worse than then having to RE comparison test because you didn’t write it down and can’t remember!Thanked by 1S00ner0rLater -
Here's what I've learned about it from personal experience. This will repeat a lot of what has already been said, but, I hope in a slightly different way.
My primary example of low/middle/high in a given paper level comes from comparison testing foals from a given sire in a pasture, sometimes over a couple of different game years, so that the mares, who may not have had a full pasture bonus the first year, do in the next year.
A C papered sire gives me 10 B papered sons. So I start comparing them to their sire. The first colt I compare to sire tests About As Good As the sire. I would consider this as meaning a "just squeaked into the next paper level" colt and he would automatically be snipped. Colt 2 tests Superior to Sire. He remains intact and I begin comparing his brothers to him. Colt 3, 4, 5, test about as good as Colt 2 and remain intact. Colt 6 tests Superior to Colt 2. He remains intact and all the colts tested before him are snipped. Colt 6 tests superior to colts 7 and 8, so they get snipped. Colt 10 tests about as good as colt 6 and remains intact.
Colts 6 and 10 would classify, in my mind, as high B stallions. Colts 2, 3, 4, 5, and likely 7, and 8, would fall into my "middle B" mental grouping.
I haven't gone so far as to start comparing Average Foal PT's for my stallions, but that would also contribute to sorting stallions with the same paper level.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
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I use comparison testing a lot here.
I use it on everything that passes SBA. I snip everything that is worse than the sire immediately. After that, I generally will keep and label all of my STS (superior to sire) and put them aside. Then I start digging.
What I mean by digging is I start to compare against the "King" stud of that generation. So if he's AGA or ST, he's put in the STS group with a note. If he's AGA sire but tests worse than King, he's culled from the program. If he's AGA sire but AGA King, I may keep the newbie if I like his genetics (and I add a note).
My Kings tend to be a little on the "high" side of things as I am picky and I kind of have high expectations of each gen. I start with all Red mares as foundation...by choice... so I tend to produce studs that can really pull a lagging herd forward if the buyer knows what they're doing and breeding evenly.
Basically I use it to find out which dude is the current King for their generation. It also leads me to make decisions on which direction the herd is headed genetically. By doing this I really have built a great herd in my opinion and it functions exactly how I would like.ID# 24891
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