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It's been a while since we had a DP question
  • DinascarDinascar
    Ok so has this mare one or 2 copies of DP? My thoughts are one but not sure. If it's 2 I might do some GMTing as she is an Exceptional Perfect.
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  • FallenShadows714FallenShadows714
    Definitely one copy, but she looks awful close to some of my Hom Sooty flaxen chestnut creates.
  • fj1482fj1482
    I would say without a doubt she has at least one copy of DP because she is to dark for a horse without any sty gene. She very well maybe 2. The only way to really find out would be to GMT one sty onto her. If she comes back liver then you know she has two copies because you have to have three darkening genes to be liver.
  • DinaChillDinaChill
    She has no sooty at all at the moment - one sooty and she will either go to liver (and have double DP and a sooty) or she will go a darker chestnut (and just be single DP). She must have at least one copy
  • DinaChillDinaChill
    Just not sure if she has 2. I will go look at lots of sooty chestnuts :)
  • HaltannyHaltanny
    I think she has a good possibility of being hom. Compare to my two below, one is a known het dp and the other is a hom sooty. Your girl is noticeably darker/redder than my het DP, and comparable to my him sooty.


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    #28036
  • DinascarDinascar
    I might try and sell her - not sure as I can throw lots of GMTs at her myself - I will want to take her bay off too and prob make her a stallion ... (list goes on! LOL!)
    I'll see if there's any interest.
  • FallenShadows714FallenShadows714
    I would definitely be interested in her, she’s got the flaxen and pangere I breed for.
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  • DinascarDinascar
    She's up for sale now - 20k
  • DinascarDinascar
    I think she will be hom DP as she also has pangere - I will be interested to see if you do GMT her :)
  • FallenShadows714FallenShadows714
    Oh, I wasn’t going to do GMT work, I was just going to breed her as is to a hom DP Stud.
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  • DinascarDinascar
    I suppose whoever breeds her will find out eventually anyway :)
  • HTRanchHTRanch
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    How about this mare? She looks dark for one copy of sty. I need her to a hom dp stallion to test it out. The foal was chocolate liver but inherited sty from her so I still have no proof.
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  • HaltannyHaltanny
    @HTRanch I don't think your girl has DP at all. I have lots of het sooty chestnuts that are the same color.
    #28036
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  • JustaSaddletrampJustaSaddletramp
    How do you tell if a liver or chestnut that is hom Sty has DP too? I have a filly I think should have it, but I'm totally just guessing. lol Her genetics are pretty much the same as her dam, but she's a liver and her dam is sooty chestnut, so I figure she has to have gotten something different from her sire. His genetics say the same thing too, but his color is completely different, nearly a black liver.

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    Justa ~ ID# 44842
    A chronic sufferer of shiny pony syndrome breeding for DP, Pearl, Brown, Nexus, and Watercolor in Appaloosa, Dun, Sabino 2, and Kit M patterns.
    "God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
    The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
    And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time."
  • FallenShadows714FallenShadows714
    Her sire is a Freaky Friday RS. They carry two copies of DP guaranteed. The DP, which is an untestable gene, when combined with sooty, causes liver when three of the genes are present. Your filly picked up one of her sires copies of DP. Her sire is a black liver, meaning he has all 4 copies.

    Palominos also can express DP, but they are called chocolate. Other red based horses can display the darkening that DP causes, but they don’t have a name change.
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  • JustaSaddletrampJustaSaddletramp
    Thank you for the explanation! So if I cross her back to another black liver later on I should have a 50% chance of hom DP, 50% het like her. That's what I've been trying to figure out. lol I've been crossing sooty chestnuts and trying to figure out why none of the foals were livers even though the genetics were the same as livers I saw. That's why I bred to Cartoon Graveyard when I was searching for a first gen liver at stud and saw him. I hoped as dark as he is, he'd tip the scales from sooty chestnut to liver. He did, and now I know why! Thanks! :D
    Justa ~ ID# 44842
    A chronic sufferer of shiny pony syndrome breeding for DP, Pearl, Brown, Nexus, and Watercolor in Appaloosa, Dun, Sabino 2, and Kit M patterns.
    "God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
    The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
    And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time."
  • FallenShadows714FallenShadows714
    You are most welcome, the Freaky Friday guys are a perfect starting place for building a liver line. There are quite a few floating around that I’m sure people would sell straws from or let you breed directly to. I’m trying to breed exclusively liver and chocolate right now. Good luck!
  • JustaSaddletrampJustaSaddletramp
    I have a lot of horses that are hom Sty, and I've been wondering about what it was that makes a chestnut into a liver. I see them posted often and it's never a bad plan to be able to breed a popular color to sell, so I started trying to figure out why most of mine aren't liver. Now I know! :)
    Justa ~ ID# 44842
    A chronic sufferer of shiny pony syndrome breeding for DP, Pearl, Brown, Nexus, and Watercolor in Appaloosa, Dun, Sabino 2, and Kit M patterns.
    "God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
    The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
    And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time."
  • DandiLoveDandiLove
    Anyone have an example of a hom DP hom sty chocolate Palomino? I'm still learning to pick out dp lol. I just picked up a stud that'll hopefully point me in the direction of that eventual goal. Can't wait til next month to see how he does. He's only het DP but I don't think It will take long for my lines to start producing hom though. I've gotten a couple black livers already but I sure love that chocolate pali too.
  • ObsidianKitsuneObsidianKitsune
    This is a hom sooty hom dp chocolate palomino, with pangere and flaxen. No dapples on her though.

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    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
  • ObsidianKitsuneObsidianKitsune
    And this is an example with dapples

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    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
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  • DandiLoveDandiLove
    Wow, okay yes. Talk about goals! I gotta make that happen one day in the near future. They're both beautiful. I have one chocolate pali mare that's het DP hom sty, but I'm worried about getting cremello if I breed her with my chocolate pali stud. So would it be better to put him on liver mares, or at least hom sty chestnuts for now? I'll probably put him with a mix of mares and see what comes out. I need to get better at seeing DP in other colors, but I fail miserably..
  • ObsidianKitsuneObsidianKitsune
    The thing is if you do get a cremello from that cross, you can just cross it back to a liver stud and get chocolate palominos. If you're lucky, the cremello would've picked up some dp.
    Producer of Volcanic Glass Drafts. Lapisobsidianus.
    Prices are almost always negotiable.
  • Crystal93Crystal93
    Yep with a cremello it will gaurentee whatever cross the foal picks up a cream gene
    Breeding liver chestnut drafts that carry snowflake and kp.
    Also breeder of mushroom, watercolour, chinchilla, splash m, wrong warp and thunderstruck.

    Horses generally always available.
    PM me for any enquiries.
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