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- best friend April 2018
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So my mare had a colt last March and she’s still with him so she still has milk and she could have possibly been bred in May of last year. How else could I tell if she’s pregnant without milk? And also without calling the vet? She also hasn’t been to work in forever so she’s pretty fat.EasternShowBarn
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You could try an human pregnancy test, run out there after she has urinated and rub the tester stick in the 'mud' .ID #21047
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Human pregnancy tests don't work in mares- it checks for a different hormone. Only way to tell if a mare is in foal is to have her checked by the vet (palpation or ultrasound, though the latter is usually not as effective at later gestation). There are pee tests for mares you can buy, but I don't know how accurate they are. Only sure way is to get a vet to check her out.Thanked by 1supersarah
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@GallifreyanAngel she’s within 3 weeks of 340 days.EasternShowBarn
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Is her colt still nursing? In my experience, the mare won't let last years foal nurse anymore starting a month or two before foaling. If she is pregnant and lets the colt nurse, he'll take the colostrum from the new baby, which is not good. I'd probably buy some colostrum when/if she foals - like immediately after - just in case the new foal didn't get enough from mum. Separating last years colt now would be a better idea, but I understand that's not always an option.#28036
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@Haltanny he is still nursing so I have to keep an eye on both to make sure that he’s not getting the colostrum. I will also consider getting some colostrum and possibly seperate her if we do figure out for sure. Thank you a bunch.EasternShowBarn
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If that mare is in foal, you will need to wean the colt. If he was a 2017 March foal, he is now a yearling and should certainly be weaned from his dam- not only because he doesn't need to be nursing and that horses in a domestic setting rarely self-wean (not fillies/bachelor herds to draw them away), if he is still entire he could breed his mum very very easily. That is not usually a good situation. If you don't wean, you will have no way of knowing if he is drinking the colostrum unless you are testing that milk very very frequently and I mean like a vet antibody test, not just looking at it. I still think your best option is to wean that colt and get the mare preg checked by a vet.
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When I did breed my horses my foals were weaned between 4 and 6 months. You definitely need to wean that colt. If it was me I would try to take him off property. Has he been gelded yet? He is sucking the colostrum from mom. So get him weaned now because the longer you wait the more stressful it will become on both of them. When exactly was that colt born in 2017.
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@GallifreyanAngel @best friend he was born in March of 2017. I have tried to get my mom to seperate them multiple times but she keeps saying that she’ll wean him herself which I knew she wasn’t going to. We also tried sending him somewhere else but it didn’t go through so he stayed home. He is gelded. He’s also not technically my colt, he’s my moms. Only the mare is mine and even then I really have limited say in what’s to be done with either of them... But I can try to talk her into bringing the test strips back out and calling out the vet to check her.EasternShowBarn
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She won't wean him now if she hasn't yet. She needs to be preg checked. To wean him...if you can't get him away from her...get a pasture muzzle. It'll let him eat grass and drink water but not nurse. And if he gets huffy about it, shell knock him into next week for headbutting her. It's what we use.
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If you use the muzzle and she keeps making milk long after he quits nursing...she's definetly preggers. Best bet is a vet check. Some can do it for free or low cost, esp if they have a newbie around
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@squeakerblue that’s what I was worried about... Even if she isn’t pregnant I don’t want the colt to be glued to her side for the rest of his life. Or standing at the gate screaming and pacing whenever I take her further than the barn. But I haven’t thought about using the muzzle. I could bring that up with my mom.EasternShowBarn
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The type of muzzle you get to use will depend on the type of grass you have if it's particularly long or particularly short you're going to want to get the wire one. And then watch him and use duct tape woven Between the Bars and then taped off to block off that specific part of the muzzle that he's using to nurse with. If you've got decent trimmed grass that's about 3 to 4 inches long and doesn't just fold over you can get the cloth ones. I personally prefer the wire one because it's more customizable and lets them get more grass than the cloth one does. Because he will reduce the amount of grass he's getting with that muzzle. That's what they're designed for.
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The colt needs to be weaned. Like yesterday. ESPECIALLY if she's almost due.
And if she didn't take there's a good chance she got bred by her colt since hes over a year old now. Youd need to have the vet out to see if she's actually bred.
And if you dont know her exact dates and she foals while the colt is still with her he could seriously injure or even kill the foal.
Besides the fact that the newborn foal NEEDS colostrum and that milk. That mare cannot feed both of them and the foal will be the one to suffer. You need to get this across to your mother how absolutely serious it is. They need to be separated. Asap.Thanked by 1kintara -
@squeakerblue we don’t really have grass now since it’s just becoming spring so they’re getting hay.EasternShowBarn
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@SherbertAcres that’s what I’m worried about :((EasternShowBarn
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I asked my mom if we could get the vet out and check her. She didn’t specifical say yes or no so I’m hoping she will but its a step in the right direction.EasternShowBarn
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I love the grazing muzzle idea! And yes. Separate them! Honestly at this point. Best way to separate would be to ship the colt or mare off property. If the mare is yours... Do u have a close by friend that can take her for a month or so? (15 mins or so so the trailer ride isnt stressful on your mare). It would be best of the colt and mare cant hear each other as they can feed off of each others anxiety. Unfortunately Cold turkey is best.
If she is in foal and she foals with that colt still at her side, muzzle or not, he will push the new baby around and that will stress out the mare and new foal and yearling because someone else is feeding off mummy.
Colostrum from your mare is the foundation for the new foals immune system. So no Colostrum equals very poor immune system. In my experience horses who dont receive colostrum end up as adults with health issues. They are more prone to colic and founder when they come into contact with foreign bacteria/viruses, fungi. Two of my friends have lost a couple of horses because of this. Their horses didnt receive colostrum, and both of their vets said because of this this is why they got sick from the pathogen, which resulted in colic, then founder, then sadly death. Not saying that this will happen for sure, but it happens more often than not.
Its the hard facts hun. Im sorry there is a bit of conflict with your mom.
Best of luck!DivineDreams ~ 30908
Breeder of KitM, W10, W3, Livers, Chocolates, Brown, S+, Pearl, Macchiato, Nexus, and WaterColor!Thanked by 1Xceptional -
You can by mare urine pregnancy tests online now. They are becoming big in the Shetland pony (British) breeding circles and miniature horse breeding circles as these breeds are too small for internal ultrasounds. I just wish they were around when I was breeding a few years back.21170 ~ Breeder of quality Liver Chestnut and Chocolate Palomino riding horses and ponies with unique twists. Specializing in Kit Promoter with fancy white patterns.
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@DivineDreams we were going to send the colt to a friends but her barn wasn’t finished. I had talked to my mom earlier today and asked if we could have the vet out soon but there wasn’t a clear response.EasternShowBarn
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You really need to separate the mare and foal, even if the mare and yearling are next to each other, just so he can't drink. Or as someone else said, the mare would be easier to move short term
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You can gradually wean them in fields next to each other, basically you just slowly increase their time apart, it's actually scientifically proven to be one if the least stressful weaning methods, they can still keep each other company and the mare is less likely to get mastitis.21170 ~ Breeder of quality Liver Chestnut and Chocolate Palomino riding horses and ponies with unique twists. Specializing in Kit Promoter with fancy white patterns.
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look into getting colostrum. I do not own horses, but know someone who kept a doe in milk till she surprised them with babies. Since she hadn't dried up before kidding she didn't produce any colostrum and all the babies were lost. I imagine a horse that didn't have a colt weaned may go into a similar phenomenon. On again though, I do not own horses, there are differences between them and goats.
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@Wildland Acres you are right the foal needs to come off of the mare so the mare can produce and have colostrum for the foal, that is the only way for the foal to be given an immunity to the bugs that are in their environment, with out the colostrum you are going to be fighting a loosing battle with massive vet bills and IGg transfusions etc.21170 ~ Breeder of quality Liver Chestnut and Chocolate Palomino riding horses and ponies with unique twists. Specializing in Kit Promoter with fancy white patterns.
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I agree. Wean them. Divide a field with some electric fencing so that they can still see each other but mum can't feed baby. This should work as long as they both respect the fencing. If not, can the foal go into a stable for a week or so? He will call and be extra grumpy to handle but it is still better than the alternative.
Getting the vet out to palp the mare is the cheapest method of pregnancy testing (haven't tried the orse pregnancy tests). Human pregnancy tests definitely do not work because the horse hormone is much bigger than the human one and the test doesn't detect it.User ID: 25715 -
Can you divide their field in half or make a small lot to put the yearling. I have had to wean two foals 3 times from their dams.
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even if not bred she desperately needs weaned. But even more importantly if she is for all the reasons already stated plus that it is pretty hard on the mare to be providing this long for the previous foal let alone trying to provide for one in utero. I would make sure she is getting plenty of vitamins and minerals since she may be providing for two right now.
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also the closer she gets to what you think is her expected due date, the mares teats will get waxy....Ive had a mare keep on her from the previous year and not kick them off even after the new foal is born, however this was a rare thing and was part of neglect case and we believe the reason she had not was she didn't have the energy to do so.....If your mom wont wean the foal, you need to do it, for the mares sake. :)Ice and Nexus is the game....it hasn't started yet though, apparently