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- Cheers February 2018
- ConfluenceFarms February 2018
- dark star February 2018
- DivineDreams February 2018
- ElementalStables February 2018
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- KintaraContest February 2018
- NxtLevelGlen February 2018
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What does unevenly bred mean?
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Does it mean breeding an odd gen number to an even gen? Gen 2 + Gen 3= Gen4 uneven? Also what would be the best mare to use this stallion's straw?http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1421052
I really want to start a Nexus line.Id #: 43017
Lover of pearl, nexus, satin, liver, snowflake, axiom and chocolate ponies. <3 -
Unevenly bred means breeding a horse to any generation that doesn't match their generation. So for example breeding a foundation horse to any lined horse. Breeding a gen 2 to a gen 3 or Gen 4. You can easily identify an "uneven" horse by looking at its pedigree. If a horse is perfectly evenly bred then all of its foundation parents will show up in the same generation on the pedigree.
One thing to note is that "even breeding" does not necessarily mean that your horse is a better breeder or a better shower than an "uneven" horse in a similar quality range. There are many players though who prefer the aesthetic look of the pedigree of an "evenly bred" horse, and who place more monetary value or worth upon a horse who is evenly bred. There are many players though who don't care about even breeding. So there is a market for both types of horses.
Even examples:
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1390501
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=538292
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/full_pedigree.php?horseid=1170524 (click on view full pedigree)
Uneven examples:
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1225916
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=1248708
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/full_pedigree.php?horseid=1467503 (click on view full pedigree)
SALVISTAR PERFORMANCE HORSES
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@Salvistar Thank you so much! I thought breeding uneven made my foals more likely to be snipped.
I've breeding C/Yellow horses together and most of them don't pass SBA.Id #: 43017
Lover of pearl, nexus, satin, liver, snowflake, axiom and chocolate ponies. <3 -
Uneven can also mean breeding unmatched quality, suck as A to Yellow, etc.#28036Thanked by 1RoseMorning
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I believe in breeding even ability like red to B and blue to A, and sometimes this means breeding uneven generations. There are definitely players who value the aesthetic of an even pedigree though!Thanked by 1RoseMorning
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For the stallion you mention in your original post, I would look for a mare who is papered Blue with at least one A/Blue parent. Also, if you have access to SBA, I would not use it to test the foal. I would only BA a foal from the lab.Thanked by 1RoseMorning
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I don't breed evenly for the 'aesthetic look' of a pedigree, I breed evenly as it's the only way I can consistently track quality and improve with each generationThanked by 1RoseMorning
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The horse you posted is an even 6th generation, usually by 6th generation I'd like to see Star papers in a stallion, he may not be a high A either with a red dam. He's a nice Nexus though so if you wanted to breed evenly you could try and find some nice Blue papered 6th gen maresThanked by 1RoseMorning
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I'm with Kintara. I could care less that the pedigree is even but I have paper level expectations from each gen and it helps me keep my horses on track. I imagine once I get to gold level horses it will be important to know what afpt I expect my horses to meet each generation once they're all gold and I can no longer use paper level to tell them apart.Thanked by 1RoseMorning
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I'm also like Kintara and shad0cat - I do like the aesthetics of an even pedigree but I mostly breed even because it helps me know what expectations I should have. I know that for me, a 3rd gen stallion must be an A that's superior to his sire whereas a 2nd gen stallion must be a B that's superior to his sire. If I bred a foundation to a second gen, I'd have no idea where the colt should paper!
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Once you get up there in generations the increments at which you improve are so small that it is easy to overlap generations and still see progress. I am seeing, roughly, a 0.2 average increase in AFPT per "generation". Even though I no longer track generations. When you consider that over a breeding group I can have a 0.8 variation in afpt across my best breeders it is easy to see how a strong breeder from my last "generation" can still provide solid foals when paired with a stronger stud, as the AFPT of the newest round of mares is likely only going to be one or two tenths of a point better than the mares I already had.
At lower levels the jumps are large, and it makes sense to pair generations as the difference between a second gen and a foundation can be huge. The difference in breeding quality between a 10th and an 11th generation horse is not nearly as large, and it all just blends together.Thanked by 1RoseMorning -
I love dark stars response.
Personally. I breed evenly. Meaning I do my best to breed same gens to same gens. I also try to breed evenly with paper levels. The only exception to this is if I have a mare or stallion that is not having success with their paper levels. Then I will try to breed them either up/down a paper level, incase the horse is either on the high end or low end of a paper level.
I do have some uneven lines. I mainly keep those as show broodies and studs. And i breed them for high performance levels.
However after all is said... Once I start getting stars and golds I will be doing what dark star was mentioning. The improvements in the lines are marginally different. So it isnt a big deal to breed a 7th to 8th gen.
Also I do not value uneven red/b and blue/a papers the same as even breds. So when someone is asking the same price for an uneven horse with the same genes and paper level as an even horse... I will not pay it. Even lines take more time and care than uneven. So if someone breeds their 4G A KitM stallion to a foundie mare then expects 10,000 hbs for the offspring, Personally the offspring is not worth it. It can have negative affects the market too. Ex. Why Ammit is hesitant about releasing Nexus again as the horses were badly bred and extraordinarily priced.
I also mark all of my uneven offspring with a U (standing for uneven) and if I do sell them I price them accordingly. I always want to be able to stand behind my lines so people have a good feeling about what I breed. Quality over quantity.
I truly hope I havent offended anyone. And I hope this response helps!
DivineDreams ~ 30908
Breeder of KitM, W10, W3, Livers, Chocolates, Brown, S+, Pearl, Macchiato, Nexus, and WaterColor!