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dark star · Jan 21, 2018 6:01 PM

I had the idea of hosting a bootstrapping buddy chat. A place to chat and share ideas/studs/mares for those who are interested in establishing or continuing a bootstrapping line. Bootstrapping is a lot harder than standard breeding, as you often don't have the regular testing mechanisms to help you. It might be nice for folks to be able to get a bit of advice from others who are more experienced in uneven breeding.

If you want to be included in the chat room let me know and I will invite you.

Additionally, I will be placing many of my retired studs up for use by members of the buddy chat. Hopefully others will do the same.

ConfluenceFarms · Jan 21, 2018 6:03 PM

Great idea!

best friend · Jan 21, 2018 6:07 PM

I would like to be added.

wendolyne · Jan 21, 2018 6:15 PM

I may be asking a stupid question, but what is bootstrapping?

kintara · Jan 21, 2018 6:16 PM

What is bootstrapping??

ObsidianKitsune · Jan 21, 2018 6:17 PM

bootstrapping, from what I understand, if when you use a high papered stud (like star) to produce offspring of a higher caliber than the mare usually could. You geld the boys, and then breed the girls back to their dad to further improve the line.

And I'd love to be added!

dark star · Jan 21, 2018 6:21 PM

ObsidianKitsune is correct bootstrapping a line is using a higher quality stud to quickly raise the quality of a line (often starting with Foundation mares) by uneven breeding. Ammit gave me the idea for the name. Pretty sure it is what she referred to it as when we were discussing it months ago.

Bootstrapping allowed me to do in 8 months what took me 3 years to do the first time around, but it's not easy. The nice side effect is lots of altered show ponies.

kintara · Jan 21, 2018 6:23 PM

Oh ok, so it's just to breed the higher PT show horses?

kintara · Jan 21, 2018 6:25 PM

I have plenty of high PT stallions that could be used although I breed enough show horses anyway so probably don't need it myself LOL

dark star · Jan 21, 2018 6:28 PM

Not just to get show horses. I used the method to get breeding horses.

kintara · Jan 21, 2018 6:54 PM

It's really for high PT breeding though, similar to the old LB lines in HJ1? The bootstrapping gets you the higher PT's quicker than trying to just breed even lines?

friesianpaints · Jan 21, 2018 6:59 PM

I've been starting doing this with one of my stallions, would love to be added :)

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dark star · Jan 21, 2018 7:32 PM

It is for higher PT's ultimately. For those interested in pushing up their PT scores, and breeding quality (leading to higher PT scores) it will get the job done faster than even breeding.

Crystal93 · Jan 21, 2018 7:51 PM

Im very interested in joining! Ive just started doing this this season! You dominating the leaderboards is whats motivating me! Haha. Mi id is 21868

Haltanny · Jan 21, 2018 7:53 PM

I'd love to join.

BlueJumpingBean · Jan 21, 2018 7:54 PM

I would love to be added!

Wildland Acres · Jan 21, 2018 7:54 PM

I would love to get added!

It does help boost pt, though I have found my breeding qualities have been going up faster, hoping to get a good role on pt scores soon. I started with 2 gold mares after over a real life year of even quality breeding, and a hardly used star stud with lots of leader board trophies under his belt. Now after only a few months I have probably about 50 gold mares (some of them from foundation mares) gotten foals high enough quality to start using breeding advice again, and have a bootstrap colt that is higher on the leaderboards than the original stud is.
So yes, bootsrapping does help pt scores. I honestly wish it was increasing my highest scores faster, but it certainly makes better breeders.

NxtLevelGlen · Jan 21, 2018 7:59 PM

Id be interested!

kintara · Jan 21, 2018 8:04 PM

LOL yes darkstar, you certainly dominate the LB's now! I'd be happy to be added if anyone would like to use my stallions

DragonRun · Jan 21, 2018 8:19 PM

Please add me.

dark star · Jan 21, 2018 8:38 PM

I will admit I have a significant presence on the Leaderboards, but I would be happier if there was more diversity. Part of why I have tried to open my bloodlines up to others in the past. Getting up there is tough, folks who started later need a boost to make up for missed years.

Secret confession time. I get a kick out of seeing someone else's horse on the leaderboards and finding it can trace some of it's lines back to my horses. Makes me feel like I have contributed to the community.

Cheers · Jan 21, 2018 9:10 PM

Well, your Dark Pearl and his offspring had a huge leaderboard presence for a long time when you were gone. He was an exceptional stallion in a perfect foundation world!

I’d also be interested in joining. I’d like my show line to improve a bit faster than it is, though it would help if I remembered to breed it every year....

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supersarah · Jan 21, 2018 9:23 PM

Please add me. 21047
Very interested.

Alohomora · Jan 21, 2018 9:39 PM

I would like to be added, please.

ID 29359

BlueValley · Jan 21, 2018 11:24 PM

I'd also love to be added! :) It'll be interesting to see how lines will develop. :)

dark star · Jan 21, 2018 11:26 PM

Everyone so far has been added.

Ammit · Jan 22, 2018 2:45 AM

Just want to add this is how I breed my flashy showing line.

PaintsStables · Jan 22, 2018 3:01 AM

I would also like to be added. I have some nice stallions with higher PT's. I just started getting 13's from one of my stallions this year. I would like to share mine as well.

Barn ID 362.

horsey2 · Jan 22, 2018 3:52 AM

I'll give it a try.
ID-36894

Neigh · Jan 22, 2018 5:37 AM

I have a contest going for seven days to win a horse each day
Can I be added
ID. 36905
Thanks

Kolladee Stud · Jan 22, 2018 5:53 AM

I'd love to be added :) ID 13130

HiddenCreek · Jan 22, 2018 7:13 AM

Yes please I do this and it helps so much!
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KaschStables · Jan 22, 2018 8:21 AM

I'd be interested for sure!
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Thank you!

Prancer · Jan 22, 2018 10:15 AM

Please can I be added
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Dinascar · Jan 22, 2018 10:40 AM

Yes please can you add me 17801 :)

CWScowgirl87 · Jan 22, 2018 10:54 AM

Please add me, definitely interested in doing this in the near future :) 16853

Reinberri · Jan 22, 2018 10:55 AM

I would love to be added, I've started this as well.

AHayesHorses · Jan 22, 2018 11:46 AM

I'd like to be added please! 4344!

Senlac · Jan 22, 2018 12:30 PM

I'd love to be added.

ConvivialityFarm · Jan 22, 2018 2:24 PM

Please add me too! 26956

ConfluenceFarms · Jan 22, 2018 3:00 PM

Nevermind! Oops!

Xceptional · Jan 22, 2018 7:42 PM

Could I please be added?-39050

Amgr1992 · Jan 22, 2018 9:27 PM

Would I be able to join? I'm fairly new, but I've got two star papered stallions, ones still a baby though. I do have a couple questions though! Breeding back to their father won't cause problems? And once you geld the boys ypu use them as show horses or do you sell them? My id 39955 if i could join! Thank you

ObsidianKitsune · Jan 22, 2018 9:32 PM

In this game, there is no drawbacks from in breeding. Most people keep the foals as show horses but if you need the room, auctioning them isn't a bad idea.

Amgr1992 · Jan 22, 2018 9:39 PM

Thank you @ObsidianKitsune!

Xceptional · Jan 22, 2018 9:49 PM

I joined but don't know if I will be able to do it. I only have A papered Studs.

Cheers · Jan 22, 2018 10:07 PM

@Xceptional I will let Dark Star or one of the other players more experienced with boot strapping address whether you can effectively use an A stud. But even if you can’t, there are a bunch of gorgeous Star studs up for breeding in the chat for not too much money. Alfernatively, if you ask either in a forum post or in that chat I’m sure someone will be able to help you out with an unwanted Star stallion from their herd. We all suffer from too many colts, since it’s roughly a 50/50 sex split but you only need one stallion per 50 mares. Almost everyone has extras! I have a low Star I could sell you but if you can get a high Star you will get better results.

Xceptional · Jan 22, 2018 10:11 PM

@Cheers I will get back to you about that stallion you mentioned after Auction.

Cheers · Jan 22, 2018 10:13 PM

You can probably find a better one. He’s gen 6 but only AGA his sire. But I’m happy to offer him!

Wildland Acres · Jan 22, 2018 10:26 PM

Boostrapping helps to propel your herd to the quality of the superior parent. You could breed lower mares to an A, and with that I would cull anything less than blue and you would have a lot of blues a lot quicker, but the higher the stud the more impact you will get from bootstrapping before you are back to similar quality gains as with even lines. I have several colts that tested aga my bootstrap stud this month. I was planning on hanging onto them and putting them up for breeding to decide if I wanted to keep them, but you could look at them too.

dark star · Jan 22, 2018 11:05 PM

Everyone's been invited.

You can use an A stud, but I am sure we can hook you up with a Star.

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