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How do you choose about breeding?
  • Do you keep certain horses in the pasture just for breeding or do you show them first? I have 2 studs that I want to use this season but just not sure how to decide which mares would be best for them? How do you know that your foal is better than the parents? Can a basic member know this?
  • I generally leave my mares in pasture until they have enough live foals to be papered, and then, if I have time and the necessary horses, I switch them out for unpapered mares, unless I'm changing generations for pasture breeding. I do try to switch out the stallions from year to year, so that not all the 2nd gens (for example) in a given line are sired by the same stallion.

    If you have a Basic Upgrade, you will be able to paper your stallions as soon as they are created or born as foals. This will help you know if your colts are an improvement on their sires. Mares are a bit trickier, since they have to have 3 live foals before they can be papered.

    However Gelding Advice and Mare Advice will give you a rough estimate. Charlie automatically gelds all colts whose Breeding Ability score is significantly worse than their sires. This means that the colt in question may have about the same breeding score, one a bit less, but not by a very large amount, or even have one that is higher than the sire's. Papering your colts will help you determine which ones will have significantly higher ability. All foundations stallions paper C, but there is a fairly wide range of abilities covered by that ranking. Not all C papered stallions have the same Breeding Ability score.

    Mare Advice compares the Breeding Ability score of a filly with her dam's. It is not as strict as Gelding Advice, so there is a wider range of Breeding Ability which will allow the filly to pass. A Premium Upgrade opens up Strict Mare Advice, which Ammit has recently upgraded so that it is as strict as Gelding Advice.

    Unless you are breeding specifically for show horses, when it helps to breed high generation, high papered stallions to mares with a lower ability, it is best to cross mares and stallions with as close to the same ability as you can determine. The higher your upgrade level, the more tests and data you will have available to help you do this.

    At your level, a helpful rule of thumb is to breed foundation horses to foundation horses, 2nd gen. horses to 2nd gen horses and so on as the generations increase. This will not necessarily ensure that the stallions and mares will have equivalent breeding scores, but in general, they will be fairly close to the same ballpark. However, since mares take longer to paper and we are always more certain of a stallion's breeding ability than a mare's, there is a very life-like degree of uncertainty with any pairing of mare and stallion.

    In addition, the Breeding Ability score covers a fairly wide range of results. It indicates a range into which the offspring's breeding and showing abilities may fall, not a single numerical result.

    Members with a Basic upgrade don't have all of the helpful testing available, but you can at least make a guess as the generations increase.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

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  • A point that I don't think Sandy touched on here is that I'm pretty sure members with the basic upgrade DO have access to the Performance Test.

    The performance test score or PT of any individual horse tells you very little about that horse's breeding ability, but the average PT of a breeding horse's foals does tell you about that horse's breeding ability when compared to other like horse's (controlling for generation, pasture bonus and the quality of the other parent(s) of those foals). This can be particularly helpful when comparing mares to each other. Two mares who paper the same and are bred to the same stallion may have an AFPT that is quite different. The mare with the higher AFPT is probably the better breeder.

    Obviously you need several foals on the ground to evaluate this.

    So I think the final thing I would want to say is that if you have limited pasture space and limited mares to choose from, like most new players do, I would decide what color or pattern I am keenest on breeding. I would pick the mares most likely to contribute to that pattern/color and put them in the pasture and try to leave them there for a good 10-12 days at the very least before you breed them. If you pick this method, you could potentially breed two lots of mares with half pasture bonus in a season. Alternatively, leave them there til the end of the season and get close to the full pasture bonus (just remember that means you need to wait til the end of the season next season too...

    In case it hasn't been explained before--the pasture bonus means that your mares will produce foals closer to the higher end of their breeding ability range. The foals won't be better than what the mare would normally put out, but they will be closer to the top end of her ability. This is part of why you need to control for pasture bonus when you compare mare AFPT--a mare with little or no pasture bonus may produce foals anywhere in her range of ability, while one with the fully pasture bonus will only produce foals from the top of her range.

    Hope that helps!
  • AFPT = Average Foal Performance Test. It is the average of all the PT scores from a mares foal crop. It only includes foals that have been PT tested.
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