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How many "tiers" are there to stallion quality?
  • I just pulled in my pasture foals, and the best of pasture colt has tested higher than anything else I have! My usual benchmark was comparison tested a fair amount, and I've nothing superior to him - just a few "as good as."

    I tested one of the foals in my new crop against my old benchmark and he was as good as. It's seemed in the past that there's a general "level" that several will fall at.

    So I guess my question is how many "levels" of sorts have you found colts fall into? I'd like to keep the line high quality, but I'm also reluctant to cull every 2g stallion/colt except for him.

    Thanks!
  • I personally haven't kept an exact count, but there generally is always a range of numerical breeding abilities covered by each letter, so, for instance, a B papered stallion whose breeding score falls just under the lowest breeding score for A papers would test superior to a B papered stallion whose breeding score falls just above the division between C and B.

    We never know the exact breeding score, of course, except for perfect foundations, where it is 100%. Generally, the range of A papered stallions seems to break down into about 3 regions, and once you get to *Star stallions there is no top to the breeding scores so as time goes on and very careful breeders (among whom I am NOT numbered) keep improving the breeding quality of horses the range between the lowest and the highest *Stars gets quite large.

    If you are using pastures, you might want to continue to use the best of the stallions who are below him until you get more that are about as good as or superior to him. This will help keep the breeding pool for the 2nd generation a bit larger. You can try figuring the AFPT (average foal PT) for each of those stallions to determine which ones are really the best of a group, although you need to consider the mare quality as well. It's a complex task and sorting mares for paper level takes longer than it does for stallions. How much time you have available to devote to the game may end up determining how fussy you can be. *G*
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  • I don't know about 'tiers' but there are PLENTY of 'tears'! :((
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  • Haha ain't that the truth.

    These are 2nd gen colts, and I was surprised because I've never had a colt test superior to the one I've used as a benchmark. There are B papered colts below him, and a few as good as. I wonder how marginal the difference between them is? Because if it's a relatively small difference in breeding ability between two colts, couldn't you conceivably get a large overlap in offspring? If that were the case I'd keep everyone.

  • I actually like my 2nd gens to be a higher B. So you can get a B paper that is (just) superior to a C, and then get a B paper that is superior to that lower (but still superior) B paper. The next level, to be be superior to that higher B, will be A papered. If that makes sense..!

    I also had a B papered benchmark stallion (and still have one on HJ1), that is a B paper but not superior to a C paper. So I can test my gen2's to him to just weed out the better superior colts! Benchmark stallions don't always have to be superior ones, just ones you know the level of to help your comparisons

    In my own head I have a basic system that works for me, even if it isn't entirely accurate. But say a horses needs to be 4 points better to test superior. So that leaves a lot of range for the horses that are only 2 or 3 points better, don't test superior but will test 'as good as' the superior colt
  • I don't understand this. How does a free member do this. I want to produce quality foals not necessarily quantity.
  • Stallion papering is a benefit of upgrading your account. It is possible for free members to tell if a stallion is any good by keeping an eye on their average foal PT score, as shown on the Family tab of your horses page. Scores higher than the parents are what you're after, in the long run.

    What they are trying to show is that you can have a stud with a paper test of B (which is one step up from C), but if you do a Comparison Test (also an upgrade benefit it will tell you if one of your stallions is better than another) the C ranked stallion will come out better on the Comparison test, even though his rank is lower.
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  • You can comparison test with a free account, just be warned, it is expensive.
  • Wild land, can you PT test with a free account?never mind, saw that on the other thread!
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