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- Amour33 September 2018
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First person research inquiry - free straws as thank you!
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Do pardon my millennial ignorance, lol! I'm looking for first hand experience of airplane travel in 1998, as that is the setting of the first chapter of the book my friend and I are working on, Issolum Chaos. We sort of skimmed over it for now, but as we broke our 80k word count and are drawing near to the end, it's time for me to get revved up for editing, and that means lots of research! :D
If any of you remember traveling via airplane pre-9/11, preferably as close to 1998 as possible and ideally intercontinentally, and would be willing to describe in much rich detail your travels, from purchasing tickets to going through security to the actual flying to landing, with special attention to things that are/aren't different from today, that would be greatly appreciated! Links to pictures would be a bonus if you know of/have/can find any, but of course not necessary.
To everyone who contributes, you can have 5 straws from any stud(s) in my barn for free, as this will be a huge help!
Oh, and side note: if anyone here by random chance has experience scuba diving, please PM me! I have an extra gift as thanks for allowing me to pick your brain as well. :xISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time.Thanked by 1Riata -
I can help you on both counts soon as I get off of work I'll send you a pmThanked by 1Lallyhop
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I flew overseas a lot from 1974 to 1995. I recall that security measures were much more lenient.
Tickets: There were paper tickets, which you had to buy through a travel agent. They didn't have online check in in 1998. The tickets were long and thin and kind of flimsy - made of multiple copies on carbon paper. Each flight was a copy. So if you had four flights, you had four little sheets. The sheets were all glued together in a little booklet.
When you checked in you had to take your ticket and passport to the airport check in counter - just like today. Check -n luggage was free, below a weight limit of about 44 pounds per bag. The bags were weighed carefully at the counter, and the fees for having overweight bags were high. The counters haven't changed much at all. the Skycaps were also there. You could check in at the curb at larger airports. The airports weren't nearly so upset about you parking at the terminal entrance for a few minutes. You know how they have those automated announcements telling you not to leave a car unattended? Those are post 9-11.
Security: There was a security check before the gate hallways as there Is now. But there was no TSA - it was only metal-detector gate you walked through. They did put your hand luggage through an x-ray, but they didn't care about liquids, shoes, or any of that stuff. I remember once I flew with a plastic container with some gerbils and litter. The security people allowed me to skip the x-ray with them.
The other big difference was that non-passengers going to meet people arriving on flights could go through security and go right up to the gate to meet their family and friends. We would get off the plane and eagerly start looking for people we knew.
I don't know if luggage was x-rayed. It wasn't done anywhere where the passengers could see, if it was. Overseas, security could be tighter. Once, in Zurich in the late 70's/early 80's, our airplane was several hundred yards from the terminal. (That was often the case in Europe at that time.) So they had these busses that would pick up the passengers at the gate and drive them out to the plane. On this occasion, our bus was followed by an amoured personnel carrier with soldiers in it. When we got to the plane, all our checked luggage was lined up on the tarmac. We had to point to our luggage on the way to the plane. A staff member would pull it and put it on a cart to go on the plane. That way you couldn't ship luggage with a bomb in it without getting on the plane yourself. this may have been around the time of that Pan Am flight being blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland. I remember, because I took that flight on occasion, and missed being on that one by only a few days.
I remember going through Heathrow in London one Christmas. There was a security checkpoint in the hallway on the way to the airplane gates, and they were carefully going through hand luggage. They even made passengers open wrapped Christmas presents to see what was inside.
Airport food: I don't recall the food cour/ fast food thing in airports then. I think that came later. The only food was the restaurant/bar thing they still have. (I never went there). Though they did have the candy and popcorn stalls, and the little book/drug stores. You could buy a book or news paper and a snack, or some Excedrin, just like today.
Airplanes:
The planes are pretty similar. In 1998 they still had free meals, though they weren't very good. They had free snacks like peanuts and pretzels. Like today, beer and wine you had to pay for - cash- and pop and water were free. ("With the Captain's compliments", was the phrase.) On INTL flights, they would tell you what currencies the attendants could accept. Each seat had head phones that the attendants could pass out. There were about six music channels, and the playlists would be listed in the in-light magazine. Longer flights showed movies on the screen on the bulkhead in front of the cabin. Super long flights had two. (I flew between New York and Dhahran Saudi Arabia fairly often, which was 13 hours).
No one had cell phones, let alone smart phones or tables. Even laptops then were pretty clunky and very expensive. Passengers would read or actually chat with each other. Most seats had a pillow and a blanket, even longer domestic flights.
There wasn't the multi-tiered service you see everywhere now. There was first class, business class, and economy. You didn't have to pay more to sit in the front of the cabin or have more legroom. All the seats had a few inches more legroom. But the planes were pretty similar. Sometimes you would see the pilots walking through the cabin, which you never do now, because they are locked in the cockpit.
Getting off the plane and baggage claim are virtually unchanged, as far as I can recall.
It has been a nice little trip down memory lane!
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@WhiteMountain Thank you so much! Let me know who you want straws from here or in PM when you decide and I'll get them sent over. :)ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
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The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time. -
I don't want anything, but I just thought this was interesting so I wanted to jump in :D
Im almost 17, so I was never able to fly before 9/11. I did find one or two videos, though, that might help you somewhat :) (I swear, Youtube has a video for everything!)
If you're willing to, could you tell me the plot? Id also love to help you guys out in any way I can. I absoloutley love to write, (English and history have always been my favorite classes!!) so id love to give some input. :) -
@MariaChapinFarm3 Sure! Me and BakeryStables (you got a hidden gates from her recently, she's not online much though) have been working on it for years, but have just recently, since the first of September, sat down to write.
In short, the story follows a young man named Basil Andrews as he sets off to uncover the mysteries of the Bermuda Triangle. What he finds there is something far beyond his wildest dreams: a rift in dimensions that leads to a world rich with magic and fantastical creatures; the world of Issolum. As Basil explores this newfound world and comes to know many of the inhabitants, he finds himself present as a plot is uncovered to overtake Issolum, and he offers his help to set out and stop the great evil that threatens the destruction of the world he has come to love.
We're currently on chapter 18, expecting to have either 23 or 24 chapters total, with 18, 20, and 22 being a bit shorter than average. We're at 80k words so far, having set a goal of 3k every day since September 1st. We're expecting to have the rough draft completely finished by mid October and are planning to start in on book 2 for NaNoWriMo.ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time. -
I would love to read this sometime! It sounds amazing!Thanked by 1Lallyhop
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@ChevalStables Thanks! We have a rough timeline of work that puts us at handing over book one to a publisher about January 2020, so it's a few years out but once it's published I sure won't be able to shut up about it, lol! I'll make sure y'all know :))ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time. -
Just realized- I didn't even post the links xD
https://youtu.be/xD8xRgBu_TM
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Yep - the heathrow footage looks very similar to today - except I have never seen Heathrow that uncrowded! Sis you see the man showing his tickets to the airline employee at check in early on? that's the only thing I noticed that stood out. No self-check in kiosks.
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Thank you both! :DISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
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@WhiteMountain do you remember if there was the same show of security measures that are on the plane before takeoff? Like when the stewardess stands at the front of the plane and shows everyone the exit doors, how to buckle up, and how to put on the oxygen masks and water vests in an emergency. Has anything changed between now and then?
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Oh yes, the security demonstrations given by the flight attendants before take-off have been there since i first flew in the 70's. On overseas flights, sometimes they do it twice... onve in English and once in the language of the country the airline is from.
Now you warch a video sometimes. Before then the attendants would always demonstrate it. The real purpose of flight attendents is safety... not slinging coffee. Passengers tend to forget that. -
It would be fascinating to interview a flight attendant. I know they do things like keep an eye out for people who may be being trafficked. I dont know when that started.
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I didn’t fly internationally but I did fly within the US. The latest being in 1997...tickets were basically enough ID, I don’t recall being asked for a driver license or anything. Checked luggage was weighed and xrayed. Parents were able to go all the way back to the gates with minors, we could could carry food and drink through security, no restrictions on things like shampoo/lotions etc. shoes didn’t have to come off, had to empty pockets, computers and cell phones could stay in carry ons. There was always a preflight safety demonstration, I don’t recall it being any different than it is now to be honest.
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@Lallyhop You have a very cool plot! I am a late 80s make and model myself, so I only remember a few things, like long paper tickets and being able to wait for arrivals at the boarding gate. However, I have a flight attendant in my family who currently flies international flights and previously worked for TWA in the 1990s. If you would like to speak with him, I can get you two connected on Facebook : )
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Ahhhhh you've done more on the story Lally?!God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time.
Shield Maiden. Chiari Warrior. Sometime Equestrian. *47002*
Tir Na Nog Stables - Home of Hooligans, Shenanigans and Mischief. Purveyor of Oddball RS. Hoarder of A Rhythm Of Fours.Thanked by 1Lallyhop -
I had a flight from California to Florida in August of 2001. I was running late and by the time I got to the airport, I just had time to throw my bag through the x-ray, rush through the metal detector, and then I, my friend I had been visiting, AND her whole family sprinted down the concourse to my gate. Nowadays, I'd never have made it through security in time and my hurry in general would probably have thrown up warning signs to get me extra scrutiny from the TSA. There wasn't even any hesitation about letting the whole family through, that's just what you did! Things became a little...different not even a month later.
Then there was flying in the 80s, when there were still smoking sections on board (the back of coach). I was a kid then and so far as I could tell the routine was all the dads sat in the smoking section and talked the whole flight while the moms sat further in front with the kids. Also kids generally got invited up to visit the cockpit if the flight was long enough. With no in-flight entertainment screens, everyone just read books or did crosswords or something. I played solitaire with cards the stewardess gave me. Then at some point during the flight, the in-flight movie would be announced, the lights would darken, and the movie would come on the overhead screens around the cabin. There would be a different movie eastbound vs westbound so you didn't have to watch the same movie on both legs of the flight. There was also music you could listen to on pre-programmed stations, but you didn't have any choice other than choosing the station (this and the bit about the movie also applies to flights in the late 90s that you were asking about).
Another difference is that planes are much more full now than they were back then. It was pretty common to end up with an empty seat next to you. Also there were a couple more inches of legroom. Fewer people brought everything they owned in their carry-on because checked baggage was free so there was a bit more room in the bin.
I think in the late 90s I just bought plane tickets over the phone? Or maybe it was possible to buy them over the internet then, but I don't think so. I don't know why I can't remember this! I do know we were given our boarding passes when we checked in our bags, and they fit in a special envelope. EVERYONE had that envelope in hand.
And yes, the pre-flight safety demonstration has been exactly the same since the first time I flew in 1983. -
@levesel2 Thank you!
@Riata Thank you so much! That would be awesome! I'll PM you. :D
@CeffylDwr Yes! We had our 80k word celebration on the 30th and still going strong! :D
@NewRiverFarm Awesome, thank you!
Y'all can all PM me with which straws you want as thanks :)ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
God grant me the hbs to buy the ponies I need,
The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time.