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deardiamond · Jul 17, 2018 9:30 PM

I have far too many 3g stallions which paper A and are superior to their sire. I'm not sure where to go next to get my numbers down. I want 9 max, 6 ideally. I have 31.

I see a lot of people saying they comparison test their stallions to a "benchmark stud" but I'm not sure what that means or how to pick my own.

I'm also not really breeding for color so my thinking was to cull the highest PTs for show ponies? Not sure if that's a good move.

Any help would be appreciated!

deardiamond · Jul 17, 2018 9:33 PM

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I miscounted- 33!

Cheers · Jul 17, 2018 9:39 PM

So you have 31 stallions. Are their fathers all probably about equal in quality? (If they’re all papered the same, look at their AFPTs to try to figure out which sire is best.)

So creating a benchmark usually starts in this sort of place, comparing the colts to each other to try to find one that compares Superior to his peers. Knowing one of your gen 2 stallions is a little better, or knowing one of the Colts was a Best Pasture Foal, is a good place to start—compare to one of the offspring of that stallion or to that BPF colt. Hopefully you will find that colt is superior to some of his brothers/peers. Snip the inferior ones. If you find another colt who’s superior to the first superior colt, then that’s your new benchmark!

Obviously, this approach is incredibly expensive.

One thing I would consider doing first would be to snip all of the Inconsisent colts. This might cut your numbers some. Obviously if your BPF colt(s) are inconsistent I’d hold off on snipping them...

If I have multiple colts that are AGA my benchmark, I do tend to snip the higher PT ones. However, I don’t tend to start with snipping the high PT ones, I Comparison Test first. Your priorities will be dictated by your available funds for Comp Testing!

Bandit1119 · Jul 17, 2018 9:39 PM

Benchmarking is when you compare a generation of studs against each other.

Geld any that test worse than and when you get a superior you start testing them against that horse continuing to geld worse then.

If you get a superior to the first boy you retest everything to the second one continuing on until your done testing everything.

deardiamond · Jul 17, 2018 9:44 PM

That does sound expensive, but over 30 stallions is too many stallions. I will slowly start doing that. Thanks you two for explaining that to me!

Bandit1119 · Jul 17, 2018 9:49 PM

Also remember high PT doesn’t mean better Show Horse it just means the horse will gain more towards its show score per training session and will last longer before leveling off so will be able to reach higher levels of showing before leveling off.

There’s lots of horses rocking the show points with low pt scores and some high pt horses will place last in every class because they earned enough training points to move to the next show level before they can be competitive at the lower level

Bandit1119 · Jul 17, 2018 10:16 PM

Testing can be super expensive. I don’t use a benchmark but I do do rigorous culling fairly regularly.

I usually start culling with the free testing and move up to gene and pt testing altering all that test inconsistent or don’t fit my colour requirements (must be grullo and offspring of horses with their genes marked in their name must inherit at least one copy of that gene. Nexus, axiom, ice, satin and KP)

Then do breeding inspections and inspect my barns. I have each generation in their own barn so I can easily keep tabs of paper progression and alter anything below the top 2 papers of each generation. The left overs get tested against their sire keeping only superior then I test each studs colts against each other keeping AGA unless a superior comes along then all the aga get snipped.

I try to narrow each studs colts down to 3 or less and I use different requirements depending how I feel that day. Often I go through and trim based on gene tests keeping the ones that are homo E or D or inherited the most patterns or the special patterns over their brothers. Sometimes I go by looks and snip any lack lustre bleh ones if a stud has one that makes me go wow! Usually I end up trimming by PT but I keep the highest 3 intact.

If I still feel like I have too many studs and really feel mean and snip happy I’ll snip everything but the top few of each generation I get drawn into using the most. Other times those are the ones that I go to snip first so new blood has a chance to shine.

I enjoy culling the boys and end up going through them when I’m annoyed or upset about something so have no mercy lmao but end up feeling much better. I also laugh my way to the bank with all my new show horses that won’t miss out on showing and earning points by being moved to the pastures

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