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Waldgraf · Jun 28, 2018 5:04 AM

I have a couple more horses that I'm considering cloning, but am always worried about the calculated risk of having the clone not pass GA/BA/SBA like the original.

For those of you who have cloned a horse, how often has the clone not passed BA/SBA? It always makes me so nervous when I put them through testing!

RoseFlute · Jun 28, 2018 5:28 AM

The one time I did, it was fine, and he's a good breeder. :)

Out of 300 foals, he has a 9.7 AFPT, while his original (my Diamond Age create) had a 9.91 from 181 foals.

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Engagement Ring (Original)

So, if he does fail, he'll be pretty far below. You could give him a boost just to be safe?

Bourbon · Jun 28, 2018 10:25 AM

It was fine for me. Mine are two different paper levels though but the mare she was cloned from was pretty much before there were expro/experf horses in game. Rank special mares from back then were pretty much barely red papered and were high yellows. The current mare I have seems to be about the same quality, maybe a touch lower but still good :) Her foals are about where I would expect a normal foundation mares to be as well.

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If you're worried about this;

"Testing has changed over the years a clone of a GA passed horse is NOT guaranteed to pass GA. A clone is NOT guaranteed to have the same paper level."

It's probably aimed at non-foundation horses, or non RS horses. I know SBA has gotten a heck of a lot stricter so a horse who past SBA then might have barely past that one, but wouldn't pass SBA now since it's harsher.

ElementalStables · Jun 28, 2018 11:06 AM

I believe clones have the same stats as the horse they're cloned from, it's just the testing that's changed isn't it?

Haltanny · Jun 28, 2018 11:56 AM

Ammit said that only applies to horses born/created before changes in testing. I don't know when those changes were made, but I'm sure it was before I joined because I don't recall any changes. And I've been here a bit over a year.

Maribo · Jun 28, 2018 7:00 PM

I had a horse on here that passed testing, but the clone did not. And he was cloned not long after he was created, so papers had not change. But beware that genes that are not creatable does not clone. On foundations that is.

Waldgraf · Jun 28, 2018 9:29 PM

Interesting! Luckily, both of my guys ended up passing SBA so I'm happy about that! Interestingly enough, clones and originals both have the exact same PT! It is interesting to hear that, more often then not, they do pass!

Lallyhop · Jun 28, 2018 9:31 PM

@Maribo That's interesting! Does that mean that if you do a bunch of GMT work to a foundie it won't clone that?

Waldgraf · Jun 28, 2018 9:36 PM

my understanding is it depends on the GMT work. If you GMT on genes that could be found in a normal create, it should clone. For example, if you GMT on DP, it should clone because DP can show up on any create.

Limited, closed, fantasy genes or mutations (brindle) don't clone. So, a horse with rainbow riot wouldn't clone the RR gene.

Maribo · Jun 29, 2018 7:11 PM

Yeah, like Waldgraf says, if it is a gene that you can get on a foundation you create, then it will clone. All the others will not.

Ammit · Jun 29, 2018 8:37 PM

The clone is identical in breeding ability to the original. If the original passed the clone should too.

Lallyhop · Jun 29, 2018 9:36 PM

So snowflake and GP would clone but macchiato and nexus wouldn't, for example? Or would GP not clone since a foundation doesn't have a chance to be made with it?

Maribo · Jun 29, 2018 10:02 PM

Thats weird, Ammit. I cloned this boy: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=157655

I always run my breeders through SBA, but his clone got the snip. Did I somehow just run him through BA? I'm pretty sure I double checked after his clone got the snip, but I'm always such a clutz.

Maribo · Jun 29, 2018 10:03 PM

GP would not clone Lallyhop. That is a gene that have to be bought. Unless you meant DP. That will clone.

Lallyhop · Jun 29, 2018 10:04 PM

I meant GP, yes. So since it has to be bought, even though it's in the GMT lab, it wouldn't clone. Same for KP then?

Gracie3B · Jun 29, 2018 11:40 PM

If you have an ERROR:UKNOWN ANOMALY horse will the clone be the same as the original or will it not copy the error?

CherryCola · Jun 30, 2018 12:07 AM

@Maribo, that horse is several real life years old and back before changes were made. The way i understand it, horses born after the changes are not affected if they are cloned (unless changes are made again).

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