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http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=343534
So this fillys mom and dad are Palomino's, and she is a cremello or possibly a perlino ( shes not color tested) its all random

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=303842
Or this mare, her momma is a Silver Bay and her daddy a Brown Rabicano. She turned out to be a Silver Bay Rabicano and Homozygous Sty+

Someone knce told me they bred two black horses together and got a palomino

I know a lot about genetics in general but I'm finding that "the basic rules" don't always apply. One of "the basic" rules that I found don't apply is the At gene. A basic rule is that Capital letters are dominate and that two or more letters are dominate over Capitals. From what I have learned on here though that does not apply with the At gene. What colors do you want to end up with? That would help in determining what gene's you need to look at.

Baya your little Jam and Pickles could very well be cream. Her dad carries Ccr. Her mom may carry it as well. If she ended up with two Ccr genes she would end up Cremello

Iron for some reason the links to your horses keeps sending me back to this thread. Are they color tested?

The links for the horses again thought now i have 2

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=337575
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=337575

Edited. I don't think the link button is working for me on the forum

I'm not sure, I guess I was lucky but I'm not sure if I want to sell. what did you have in mind?

That is awesome Iron. Even with Brindle parents, which ups your chances, it's still very rare.

Thank you :)

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=326384

I will double with Moon. Ill send you two straws from any of my boys if you upgrade

Baya I think I want to keep her. I'm sorry but thank you :) if I at all want to sell her you will be the first to know

'Welcome to the AI lab breeding center. Here you can use the straws you own on your mares. There is a 3000 dollar vet bill involved in producing an AI created foal. You can only create foals during times you would normally be able to breed horses.'

Thats from the advanced breeding lab, and the use a straw page

Yes mares can only breed once per season.

Yes same with straws

And if you look in my stallion barn you can choose one to get straws from
If you get an upgrade

oooo baya I love your satin mare! I bought my first satin carrier filly yesterday. My dream is to get an awesome satin stallion.

Just realized I never answered the original question lol but salvistar is right

heres something that can help you. Put in a mare and stallions genes to this and it will give you possible foal colors http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator1.asp

It's not at all random, which is really the point of this game, to learn how the mechanics of it work.

To simplify, all horses are either red or black based, and all other colors build from there. It all starts with two basic things, Extension and Agouti. These are the E's and A's at the beginning of your horse's genetic testing.

Extension controls red or black. Capital E's will make your horse black-based, whether there is one or two. If your horse has two small e's it will be chestnut (red) based.

Agouti controls the distribution of red pigment. If your black-based horse (EE or Ee) horse has aa as the agouti portion of its genetic test, it will remain all black. If it has an A, it will be bay (red with black points).

So. Let's say you breed your red stallion ee Aa to your black mare Ee aa. Your foal will get one of those "letters". From the stallion it will definitely get an e (red). From the mare it has a 50% chance of getting E (black) and a 50% chance of getting e (red). So you have a 50/50 chance of red or black.

Let's say the foal gets black, so it would get eE (e from the stallion, E from the mare). Then the foal gets the A (agouti/bay) from the stallion and an a from the mare (no agouti).

Your foal would be bay, specifically eE Aa.

If you add cream to the mix, a horse that would be black with cream will be smoky black (difficult if not impossible to tell from plain black). If it would have been bay, it will be buckskin. If it would have been chestnut, it will be palomino. Doubling the cream gene gives you smoky creme, perlino and cremello. Gray covers other colors, so "underneath" the gray the horse will be black, red, bay, or whatever. So greys can surprise you if you don't know what their underlying colors were.

Hope that makes sense. Here's a really fun link to play with and see what each gene will do.

http://www.jenniferhoffman.net/horse/extension.html

You can look at your parent horses' genes and determine what the chance of different colors is. I had a ton of fun when I first started playing, plugging the parents' colors into this equine genetics color calculator to see what the chances of different colors was.

http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/CCalculator1.asp

Hope that helps you out!

Thank you to everyone for the help and the links!! I will definitely be using them!!

Iron, you are super super lucky! And I agree with Salvistar--you hold onto that filly and never sell her unless someone is willing to give you ridiculous money for her.

While all other genes in this game can be predictably bred for or bred out of a line (assuming you know what genes are present--non-color tested horses who seem straightforward can give you shocking results sometimes), brindle does truly seem to show up with incredibly great rareness. This is true in real life as well, since brindle isn't actually a color but is usually a form of chimera--twin foals are conceived and at some point early in the pregnancy one embryo absorbs the other, resulting in the genes from both foals affecting the coat color because the skin has cells from both foals.

Good luck with your future breeding! If buckskins are seriously your goal, there were a couple of Herd Helpers today for palomino horses--ee CcrC horses. That will add some more cream into your herd if you are interested!

The story behind the crossing of two blacks that gave me a palomino is this. It was early in my days of playing HaJ1, and I couldn't afford to color test my mares, so I had no idea what genes they were actually carrying. I bred a black stallion to one of my black mares and did a double take when the foal appeared. It was palomino.

How did that happen? Both the mare and the stallion were eE (or Ee), heterozygous for black. The mare was hiding Ccr and was actually a smokey black, but since she wasn't color tested, and cream has little effect on black pigment when it is heterozygous, that single cream did not change her color enough that I could see it on my monitor. So, the foal got red from both parents and was ee. It got Ccr from its dam and C from the sire, and so was palomino. What was random about the result of the cross was whether the mare would pass on C or Ccr to her foal. The cream did not just randomly pop up from nowhere.

But it makes a great story that illustrates why it can be so hard to predict what color a foal will be when you have no definitive gene test to know exactly what each parent might possibly pass on. When you consider how many genes are involved in determining what color a horse will be, it's no wonder we get surprised from time to time.

So I just bred two Smokey Grullo's together and look what popped out. I color tested them and turns out they both carry Ccr and this little girl inherited both of them ROFL

http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=344007

See I had no idea lol.......Now I know