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BFexperiment · Feb 11, 2018 8:00 PM

When does one really start getting tough on the PT scores per generation? I have lots of horses now and wondering when did you all decide to get tougher on your PT scores on your horses? Whether they be for breeding or showing?

best friend · Feb 11, 2018 8:02 PM

Sorry wrong account.

dark star · Feb 11, 2018 8:26 PM

Never. PT scores mean nothing for breeding and even a low PT horse can be a good shower.

If you need more room you are better off culling poor show horses who level off in a losing spot.

GallifreyanAngel · Feb 11, 2018 9:38 PM

I think PT does matter for lined horses, but not for foundations. There was a post on it a while ago and someone had posted a list of PTs and rough paper level, but I can't seem to find it.

Edit- Found it! Sandycreek's reply is the one I was thinking of http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/111742#Comment_111742

dark star · Feb 11, 2018 9:49 PM

That is different though, I do cull the bottom rungs of my breeding mares based on their AFPT, but never based on their PT. And you can't really ever cull a show horse based on PT alone.

For example, compare these two horses. One has a low PT score and a ton of points, one has a PT score more than 2 points higher and has half the points earned.

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Cheers · Feb 12, 2018 2:43 AM

I do cull all my snipped foals with PTs below 10.0. That only affects a small percentage of my low gen foals though...

I do cull mares based on AFPT once they’ve had 3 foals for me and for every foal after that. In general I’m looking to cull 10-20% of my mares in any given pasture each season to make room for new girls aging up. Over time this also helps reduce mare lag in any given population, but that’s a seriously long term project...

Like others have said, if doesn’t really make sense to cull show horses on PT, but rather on performance once they have Levelled Off... I don’t even do that...I breed more foals than I can handle in any given season, much less look through show ponies too. They’re there to make me money and every point really does count.

If you feel like you have enough Breeders to have a stable population, you can start to cull to increase the quality of each generation/line. I remember being in roughly your spot my first time around. The first thing I started getting serious about was culling out inconsistent mares. In particular, if you’re going to use AFPT to weed out mares, inconsistency reduces PT so you’re likely to end up going that direction anyway.

Riley1119 · Feb 12, 2018 5:09 AM

For showing the only thing PT tells you is how long they will approximately continue training. For intact horses it is roughly when their age reaches their PTscore and altered horses will often train roughly a year later.

High PT scores mean a horse will train longer and reach higher showing levels but they often struggle through the lower levels because they don’t stick in one spot long enough to be competitive.

Lower PT scores level off younger so won’t reach as high but often don’t train up as fast and will earn a little pocket change along the journey by sitting at a level for a few shows before moving on.

Levelled off horses (are still training just much slower) that are still placing at the top half of their classes are a gold mine as they will sit and earn money and points until they earn enough points to level off. Ones placing middle to bottom are still earning you points towards your daily show bonus as long as they aren’t placing last every show.

best friend · Feb 12, 2018 6:45 AM

I should of mentioned my lined horses. I am wanting to bring my mares quality up to my studs quality. Because I have so many studs I don't always use the same ones every year. Trying to cull out tje ones I might not use but just like Bing this year. I haven't used him before and he gave me my first gold filly at 5th generation.

dark star · Feb 12, 2018 10:31 AM

PT scores aren’t the way to go. If you want to bring up your mare herd leaving them in the pasture is the best way.

I skimmed through some of your studs and I noticed a couple of things. First. You have way too many. You need to get tougher with culling studs. If you have an A papaered stud of a certain gen snip everything papered lower than that. Don’t bother trying to sell em, just snip them and show them. Next, cull your A papers down to 5-10 per generation per line. It would be great if you had SBA but since you don’t, just pick the pretty ones that come from strong lines. They all paper A, and they all passed BA, so they are likely all pretty similar. Cull everything else mercilessly. Don’t keep more than 2 to 3 male offspring per stud. That will keep your numbers down. When your numbers are down you will get a better idea of which of your remaining studs are better.

As for the mares, if it passes BA it is worth breeding. I don’t SBA my mares, only BA. If you find you have too many mares first cull everything that is inconsistent. Then you can play around with sorting them by AFPT and culling that way.

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