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How many show foals?
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So I'm starting to breed specifically for more show ponies instead of just keeping whatever gets altered, and I'm curious how many to keep each year. I've already cut out all under 10pt and any inconsistent, and still have over 30 show foals so far this year (that's about half of my entire altered horses). I feel like that's a lot more than I need. So what's a good goal to aim for, percentage wise, in increasing my show herd?
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30 is a good number. The higher the PT the longer tje horse will train for and the higher the showing level and the more points they earn per placing. If that doesnt make semse I can tag someine whos better at explaining.
Points is what youre looking for as far as bonus goes. I suggest also adopting horses from the adoptable program.
If you need a high PT stallion to help you bring in higher PTed foals i can get one of mine for you.----
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The general rule of thumb is that you want a minimum of 3x as many show ponies as you have broodstock. Personally, I would keep as many as you have room for.
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I kept 115 this year. Though I did get a new barn right before then and already have to get another. All the show ponies I am keeping are starting to pay for their barns though. I would keep as many as I have room for.
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@ColorGoodStables. I'm not new, so most of that I already know/already did. But thanks.
I'm wondering by how much you increase your show herd by per season, on average. Surely you don't add 50% yearly? I could keep every foal, but then I wouldn't have room for anything else and I wouldn't have funds for a new barn. Foals, as I understand it, don't bring in much income for a while, so I buy some established show ponies sometimes.#28036 -
I keep everything! So yes all the spays/gelds are kept for show ponies!
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I used to keep 100% of everything. I did this for over a year and only stopped doing it when I no longer spare cash to buying barns regilalry.
Now i can only keep 25% of my altered stock of I still want to keep intact as well.----
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I keep whatever I have space for! I used to auction/sell all my alters back when I first started but now that I know what i'm doing, I save everything lol
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Yes I keep everything even inconsistent and low PT horses no lower the 9 though. Because I have seen some great show horses that are inconsistent and have lower PT around 9 or 10. The horse with the most points in the whole game has a PT of around 10. So I keep everything even foals they could grow up to be great showers you just never know :)
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Like Kintara and Maribo, I keep everything. I bought new barns when ever I could to be able to keep everything. It took a while, but now my stable stands on its own because of the show bonuses. And I can by a barn or two every season to put them in.
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@Haltanny, sometimes the balance doesn't work out and you can't keep everything. It happens. Don't sweat the small stuff and make sure you are still having fun by keeping room for your breeding projects.
Foals don't really "earn" their keep until 9 or 10 years old, though some do exceptionally well and start earning their keep around 5 years old. So make sure to show everything - intact or altered - if it is in a barn it should be shown.
I made sure to buy at least two 30 stall barns a month (until I could afford to purchase larger barns). One was for show horses and another was for breeding projects. If I wasn't feeling motivated, I would use both as show barns.
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I keep everything, but you do have to balance it with space. I actually recommend all new stables breed for profit (rotating foundation mares through a single pastures and selling all the foals in auction without testing.) rather than keeping any show horses. Show horses and show profits are great, but in order to make a decent amount of money off them you really do need to have them in large numbers, which is difficult for a small stable, just starting out.
However, even a small herd of for profit mares, who show as well, can earn a tidy sum for a small barn.
Let's take your 30 foals for example. 30 show foals will take 9-11 months to really start earning you a decent profit, and even then it is likely to be less than 2000hb's a day. In the mean time you've got no space to work with and you have to keep getting rid of foals you might have wanted to keep each month. (Don't buy established show horses, no one sells good show horses, they sell poor ones, and those are rarely going to earn you back what you paid for them, you are better off saving your money.)
Now, if those 30 foals were 30 4 year old foundation mares. You can still show them, and every 30 days you can cycle them through a pasture for a few minutes and breed them. Then you just throw all 30 foals in the auction. So now those 30 horses are earning you their showing money plus an extra 2000hb's a month. So you earn show money and 60k HB's a month. If you only keep mares as your show herd for the first year or so of playing the game you can earn a great deal more cash than you can with a traditional show herd.
With more money you can buy more barns, once you have a decent number of barns you can start a real show herd. I have found that once I got 300 Show mares it got to be too annoying, and I had a nice nest egg by that point. That is when I switched to keeping all my altered foals and building up a real show herd. It took around a year, but being able to keep all my altered horses really helped build things up quickly.
So, in short. I suggest all new/struggling barns use intact mares as their show herd, and cycle them through the pasture once a month to breed for profit babies. Do this until you have a few 210 stall barns for show horses and a decent nest egg. Then start a dedicated show herd.
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I'm not struggling with money flow and I don't intend to ever have several hundred breeding mares, so I don't think your method would apply to me. I've made over 200k the last two weeks alone, not including showing, daily bonus or weekly pay. I bred for profit when I first joined and continue to do so, along side my regular breeding herd. I already show my broodmares, all my intact youngstock, stallions and my alters; pretty much every horse gets show time. I have purchased some pretty decent proven show horses, so ?
I am ready to start building my show herd and creating a "line" of show horses. I have created some "great show horse" mares (along with a few others) that I use with a high A papered stud for my show foals, and I have a star colt to use in the future as well. Of course most get altered, but any that don't will join the show line broodmares.
I was just curious how much other's grow their show herds by per season(on average), which I guess I didn't really word it right because nobody really answered [I]that[/I] question.#28036 -
My show herd is growing faster than a linear rate meaning I'm keeping more than one show horse per one breeding horse. Though I wouldn't say my show herd is growing exponentially. Last month I kept 272 horses intended for showing compared to 76 potential breeding stock.
The month before I kept 201 show horses. And before that 136 show horses. Much prior to those months, I was consistently adding at least 30 show horses to my herd.