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RipshinCreekFarm · Jun 21, 2017 11:48 AM

So I finally have enough GMTs to get a copy of machiatto, but I am dithering about who gets it. My three choices will all have to have more GMT work to get them exactly where I want them and I cannot make up my mind. Its a case of knowing what I want but not who gets it. The ultimate goal is to have a red dun with at least two darkening genes ( or choc palomino)splash m and splash, blanket/snowcap appaloosa, and no kit. Out of who is left, I want to make a bay/brown dun leopard appaloosa, no kit, with GP instead of splash. All three of them are yearlings so I have time to work on them except for getting SplM. So if anyone would like to weigh in on what they would do, and why (I.e. that gene would not show on that horse, too much GMT to get it done, etc.) please do so!

Number one is my Nanotech Primer.

1 Cryptonomicon BRX
EE aa CCprl dD gg ff SstySsty Pp Kitw20Kitw2 LlpLlp ECA3P+ECA3P+ rbRb WF: None Mosaic

Number two is my Bone Fire.

1 Stonehenge BXP
ee AA CcrCcr dd gg Ff SS pp SpSps WF: Minimal Mosaic

Number three is my Candy Appleloosa - she would need a gender swap as well as color tinkering.

1 Sticky Sweet BRX
eE AtAt CcrCcr dd gg Ff SstySsty PP KitKitw20 LLlp ECA3P+ECA3P+ WF: Minimal Mosaic

HunterUnderSaddleGirl · Jun 21, 2017 11:53 AM

I personally think the machiatto would look good on the first one, but that's just me. Curious to see what other people say.

supersarah · Jun 21, 2017 12:32 PM

What a cool conundrum :)
I would put GP recipe on the Nanotech. Then use the filly for the splash recipe. The bonfire might be patn1/patn1 so the cost could be more for the snowcap. The candy mare is less tokens to change to splash M, than the Bonfire colt. Ammit said when we paid $ for the gene that we didn't need one with splash already in order to add Macchiato. not sure if that's true in the lab.

ElementalStables · Jun 21, 2017 12:33 PM

Well, I figured the easiest way to start would be to break down who needs what GMT work to get what you want.

For instance, here's a what you'd need (I think) to get a double sooty Red Dun with splash, appaloosa and no Kit genes:

Nanotech Primer
Needs splash
Needs W20 removed
Needs W2 removed
Needs both E genes removed

Bone Fire
Needs 2 darkening genes
Need appaloosa
Needs dun
Need both creme genes removed

Candy Appleloosa
Needs gender change
Needs splash
Need W20 removed
Needs E gene removed
Needs both creme genes removed

You could always just tally up the GMT cost for each option and figure out from there.

(Might be off on my genetics, but I THINK that's what's needed)

ObsidianKitsune · Jun 21, 2017 4:17 PM

Personally I think SpM works best on darker coated horses. You could barely see it on the two bottom ones as they are. I would suggest having a look through peoples current herds to see how SpM interacts with other colours. I may have some examples myself...

Cheers · Jun 21, 2017 4:54 PM

I'm inclined to say go for SpM/red on one of the cream foals. Partially because I think you should leave the pearl on your Nanotech as a nice little lagniappe for his foals.... I will work up the cost of making those two into the type of Machiato you're talking about (I will do both Red dun and choc Pali) and show you my results (and also the order in which I think you should make the changes so you can evaluate what you think about color and pattern along the way!)

Cheers · Jun 21, 2017 5:32 PM

Stonehenge red dun SpM, Splash, no Kit, appy

1 GMT Ccr to C
1 GMT Ccr to C
1 GMT d to D
1 GMT S to Ssty
1 GMT S to Ssty
10 GMT Sp to SpM
2 GMT L to Llp
Total 17 GMT
Possible other mods:
2 GMT L to Llp to make snowcap rather than blanket appy
1 GMT + to Patn1 for larger blanket size.
10 GMT dp to DP for liver red dun

Stonehenge choc palomino SpM, Splash, no Kit, appy

1 GMT Ccr to C
1 GMT S to Ssty
1 GMT S to Ssty
10 GMT dp to DP
10 GMT Sp to SpM
2 GMT L to Llp
25 GMT total
Possible other mods:
2 GMT L to Llp for snowcap
1 GMT + to Patn1

Cheers · Jun 21, 2017 5:40 PM

Sticky Sweet red dun SpM Splash no Kit Appy

2 GMT mare to stallion
1 GMT E to e
1 GMT Ccr to C
1 GMT Ccr to C
1 GMT d to D
1 GMT + to Patn1
2 GMT Sp to Sps
10 GMT Sp to SpM
1 GMT KitW20 to Kit (remember this will reduce the expression of splash)
Total 20 GMT

Sticky Sweet choc palomino SpM Splash no kit appy

2 GMT mare to stallion
1 GMT E to e
1 GMT Ccr to C
10 GMT dp to DP
1 GMT + to Patn1
2 GMT Sp to SpS
10 GMT Sp to SpM
1 GMT KitW20 to Kit
28 GMT total

RipshinCreekFarm · Jun 22, 2017 7:45 AM

Thanks y'all for weighing in! Sometimes it helps to see other peoples' perspectives. I had been leaning to knocking the cream off of my Bone Fire and making him SplM, and keeping my Nanotech for GP later on. Cheers laying it out kind of confirms it for me.

Cheers · Jun 22, 2017 1:09 PM

I do that when I'm debating between a few. It's amazing how different the priced can be with little base changes...

best friend · Jun 23, 2017 11:07 PM

Can we gmt any foundation horses? I have been curious about it but I stay in my head. I have real life horses and just thinking about gmting one of them in life is hard for me.

Cheers · Jun 24, 2017 1:03 AM

Any Foundation age 4 and younger with no living offspring, Best.

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