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managing space, who stays, who goes
  • I currently have 9 barns (I'm addicted!) ( 1 x 101, 3 x 60, 4 x 30 and 1 x 15) They are all now pretty much full and I can't buy any more until I make some money. I am reluctant to cull my show horses at the moment. What approach would you take? Do I auction off some foals, do I get rid of my c papered stallions and low PT mares, or is there a better way to sort everything out to get my stables on the right footing?

    I'd love to know what some of you have done when faced with this (given that, yeah, I'm gonna breed a load more foals over the rest of the breeding season if I get nice Herd Helpers)

    OOh, yeah, I got my first A papered colt, he's not going anywhere :D
  • Are you breeding by generation or randomly? Has all of your breeding stock been through all testing available at your level of upgrade? And finally, have you set some goals to breed towards, whether they be color or quality?

    I should say to start that I only keep Perfecf Foundation quality and up foundation stallions, so if you have guys in that category that meet your color goals, I would get rid of any regular create stallions.

    Next, I will mention Average Foal Performance Test score as an excellent way of culling mares. Mares of the same generation bred to stallions of similar quality under the same conditions (with the pasture bonus vs without) should produce foals within the same band of PT scores. Anyone who has 3 or more foals and a lower than expected AFPT could be culled, as could mares that paper lower than you expect them to.

    And finally I will mention there is no wrong way to play this game. Some of us adhere to strict culling protocols, either because we don't have space or because we have specific set goals, but you should play however it makes you happy to play!
  • I particularly like sabino horses and Appys and this is what I think I'd like to aim for. I think maybe I should keep some solid coloured stallions and mares to add into the line to get variation. I haven't got my head round all of this totally, so haven't looked at eras or generations. This is only my second year so not all my horses have AFPT scores yet. I have tested every horse I have will all the tests (premium member)
    I'm afraid I have mushy chemo brain and info has problems staying in my head so it's taking me a little longer to get a handle on all of this than it should.
    So Should I only be keeping B+ stallions and high PT AFPT scoring mares? I am thinking of making 10 my minimum PT score, does that sound about right?
  • Depends what generation, if they are 2nd generation yes I would want them to be at least B papered and after that I require them to be at least A papered. Foundation stallions are usually C although we do have the exceptionals now which paper B. I's still use my C papered foundations though
  • It's a super complex game, so don't worry about trying to master everything at once!

    I'm going to touch on several terms you used in the last post.

    Era has to do with the breeders club awards and is an artificial concept used to keep an even playing field so that new players can compete for awards with older, established players with high generation barns. In theory these higher generation horses will always have higher breeding and showing ability than foundations, so a new player starting out with a mostly foundation and second gen herd could never compete. Entering recently created horses in the appropriate Era means they have a chance.

    Generation has to do with breeding horses with the same number of in game ancestors together. You can tell the generation of your horses by opening their family page and then opening their full pedigree and counting the columns. For an evenly bred horse, the far right column will have all the oldest ancestors in it completely full. In unevenly bred horses, there will be jags and juts as older and younger generation horses are added into the line.

    The reason we breed horses of the same generation is to get horses with what we think is a similar breeding ability to breed to each other. This generally results in more intact foals after testing and will also give you the chance of having that "leap forward" in quality in a few of the foals to further your breeding program for the next generation.

    There is no reason to ever cull breeding horses for poor PT. PT relates to showing ability, not directly to breeding ability, so it is a poor indicator for culling breeders. That said, many of us end up in your shoes, with too many horses and not enough space and end up culling mares with low PTs just to have enough room to keep what we want. Just be aware you may be culling nice breeders.

    Since you have the premium upgrade, make sure you flipped over to Strict Mare Advice and used it on all of your mares. It's brutal but so effective! Mare Papering is the best test of mare breeding quality, followed by AFPT...so if I were you I might cull my mares on color for now, keeping the colors and patterns that appeal to you, and then cull next season when they have 3 foals on Paper level and AFPT.

    With your stallions, I guess you need to decide whether you want to try to breed by generation or just breed by color. With chemo brain, it might be helpful to just breed by color. Right now most of your mares will probably be foundations with some random upper generations you've bought thrown in. Sticking to foundation stallions or B papered gen 2s would make sense.

    You may eventually want to come back and start over a bit, breed completely evenly. Lots of players play around for 3-12 months and then clear their barns and sort of start over. I know I did a variation on that myself about 8 months in--culled or sold all my upper gen stock, sold a lot of lower gen stuff too and got really serious about breeding for an aggressive increase in quality in each generation. But again, there is no right or wrong way to play. And you have enough complications and pain in your world at the moment! Please just have fun with this. We are all cheering for you and I hope your chemo regimen is successful!
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  • Ahh, Thank you Cheers, that is so sweet.
    OK, I shall stop fretting about getting things right, it's a game... I'll keep this post bookmarked for future reference and in the meantime just breed some pretty coloured horses :D x
  • I have only been playing for a few months. And i have just now decided what i want to do and that means me doing a major cull.

    I would do as Cheers is saying. I am very competitive and it is hard for me to compete against myself.

    I hope your chemo goes well. Never be afraid to ask questions i dont always know the answers but i will help where i can.
  • Thank you. I've had a major sort out yesterday and today and by the end of sunday will have auctioned off 160 horses, raised some cash and be able to sort my barns out properly. It's driving me nuts that things aren't orderly, lol.
    Have decided on Appys, grullo and some sabino. Have kept some solid coloured horses to breed from and hopefully get some pretty foals from.

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