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  • Do you all leave that button on or do you turn it off?
  • The button is always set to auto-desex on all tests for me EXCEPT on the consistency test when I'm checking my best pasture foals. For the very best ones I'm willing to spend a GMT token to make them consistent instead of let them be spayed/gelded. SAT is always set to auto-spay.
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  • Right I was talking about consistency testing? I tend to geld my inconsistent foals and horses. I am trying to breed for 100% consistency on all of my horses.
  • I don't even test for consistency. As far as I was aware it only applies to showing, and it doesn't bother me if my breeders aren't good showers.
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  • @Best Friend, I leave the auto-gel/spay on for consistency testing. However, I do not consistency test the mares until they have three foals. If the average PT of the foals does not meet my standard, I send the mare through consistency testing. My method is a bit confusing but I try to pinch the pennies where I can and consistency testing isn't a high priority for me.
  • I haven't been able to figure out the AFPT on a mare. Not sure how to do that? I don't quite understand that.
  • What should be the Pt for second third and so on score be? How does one determine what it should be?
  • Inconsistency pulls down your PT scores and makes it harder for your foals to pass testing. It's a good idea to use consistency testing.

  • In order to figure any horse's AFPT, its foals must have been PT tested. When this is the case, get out your calculator and add up the PT scores of all the foals. Then divide by the number of foals that have been PT tested.

    So, if a mare has foals that PT tested 9.5, 8.9, 9.9, 10.1, then you would add them together: 38.4. There are 4 foals, so divide that by 4: 9.6. That would be her AFPT. If she has other foals that haven't been tested, there isn't any way to include them in the equation, unfortunately, even with the automatic AFPT reporting Premium upgrade provides.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
  • I definitely second Ammit's advice to use consistency testing. It's also helpful to uncheck the automatic geld/spay button if you have a horse or a foal that you really want to keep intact. If it turns out to be inconsistent, then, if you can afford the 20 IV's for a GMT token (or the cost to buy it for real money), it is easy to make that animal consistent and retest. It will test consistent AND its PT score will be increased.
    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

    SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
    also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592
  • This is an excellent thread describing culling methods: Testing. What is worth it.

    This is a thread describing average foal PT and culling of mares: Culling mares

    And here is another link to What mare paper level do you expect.

    These links describe the various standards players have for their horses and every player has the right to decide what those standards are. A very unique aspect of HJ is that you can't go wrong!

    For calculating AFPT, premium members have this done for them! If you go to the "family" tab of a mare's page, you can see the AFPT located somewhere (I don't recall where).
    For basic members, we get to take out the old calculator and do it manually. If you go to the "family" tab of a mare's page, you note the number of living foals and their respective PT scores, add all the PT scores together, then divide by the number of living foals. Or you can note, in the note section of each mare, the PT of a foal before selling to the auction/deceased foals which would produce a more accurate AFPT for the mare.

    I hope this helps. :)

    EDIT: Whoa! I was typing this and did see the previous responses. Basically, I agree with what they said.
  • Best-- on AFPT.

    It's literally an average. So add the PTs of all the foals of a certain mare and divide by the number of foals that have been PTd and you have your AFPT. Most of us wait til the mare has 3 foals to worry about this.

    It's not really about what the scores "should" be. And there aren't really trends here--I've had mares consistently throw everything in a very narrow range or others that randomly throw across a large one. Sometimes a mare will throw 3 or 4 foals with a high PT in a row and then suddenly throw a really low PT (at which point I always look which stallion was the dad! But sometimes it was the same stud for all the foals).

    Everyone has their own cut offs for AFPT. Many of us start with lower cut offs and move the bar as we build up the size of our barns. When I started a year ago I was keeping any gen 2 with a PT 9.5 and over. Now they have to hit 10.0 to stay with me.

    The strictness you use in your testing mostly will depend on three things: your personal breeding goals, your ability to afford lots of testing and your barn capacity to keep foals to grow out. The best way to build the second two is to have a huge and profitable show herd--big enough to fund your testing and enable you to buy more barns.
  • Wow Rits! That Testing thread is nearly a year old now....my process is completely different now that I can afford to test as much as I want!
  • @Cheers, I still reference it once in a blue moon though. I find it helpful. If you have the time to spare, I would love to see your new process described.
  • Thank you guys. Going to do some reading tonight on it. Thanks for the links.
  • http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=382265

    I took this mare who has 7 foals and after I added up her foals pt scores and divided by 7 her AFPT score is 10.1 correct?

    My colt got the lowest pt score of 9.9
  • @Best friend, you are correct. :)
  • Best Friend you dont have to do the math for AFPT as long as you pt test the foals your mare's AFPT will show at the bottom of her "family" page under where it says how many foals she has :)
  • @MoonAcre Stable, if you have a premium upgrade. ;)
  • Oops! Sorry! I totally forgot that was a premium upgrade feature.
  • I always leave the geld and spay on auto.

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