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Comparison test
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I did this test between my future stud horse and the stud that I use right now. My future stud colt is worse than the other one. Can someone explain this to me please what it means?
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/up_compare.php
Here is the colt that I used.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=512264
Here is the stallion that he was compared to.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=448639
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It means that he is not as good of a breeder as your first stud. The Pearl stud is a better quality horse than the horse you want to use as a future stud.
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"Comparison testing compares the breeding ability of two stallions and predicts which of them is the better breeder. "
The 4YO horse will make better babies. His show records are 'meh'.
The 2YO seems to be doing fairly well in the show ring. The comparison test told you that he will be 'meh' as a breeding horse.
The two abilities are not related in any way. Sandy Creek posted this link in another thread. It might help. (Let me know if you can't see it) http://www.kinetocoredesign.com/showthread.php?38512-PT-Scores-Showing-vs-Breeding
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I am not able to see this. I have tried several times to see it. I also did a comparison test between my Halloween Dancer stallion and 2G peroletta. And it said that 2g is superior to Dancer. Is dancer still a well breeding stud?
Here is Halloween Dancer.
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=300313
Here is 2g Pearlotta
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=448639 -
Pearlotta is the better breeder. That doesn't mean Dancer is bad, it just means Pearlotta is better.
I copied the information from that link and posted it here: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/10182/general-information-showing-vs-breeding#Item_2 You should be able to read it now. -
Ok thank you. I got to it now. That link worked.
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Plus, Pearlotta is a 2G horse and Dancer is foundation. Higher generations will nearly always be better than foundations. It really isn't worth the hbs to compare different generations.
Also, both horses are papered, and Dancer has a C and Pearlotta a B. That tells you right there that Pearlotta is better. You really didn't need to spend the hbs for the comparison. -
What are you trying to "see" (find)? The test tells you which horse is superior, for breeding purpose. You want a 2nd gen to be better than a founation, a 3rd gen to be better than a 2nd gen, etc.
Dancer is a nice horse, for a foundation, but even then, there are different levels horses can be in foundations. Most are going to be about the same, but some like Expro's and Exper's are going to be better.
Pearlotta is a good horse for breeding as a 2nd gen stud (from what testing you have done on him so far it shows he is better than a foundation stud, and better than your other 2nd gen stud.
Most people when they test their studs, find which one is the "benchmark" stud, the best of the bunch from the same generation, and test their same generation horses against it as they create more foals, to see if they are better than the benchmark. If so, it becomes the new benchmark stud. But they also test the next generation studs against it too, so if your benchmark horse is Pearlotta, who is a 2nd gen, you would check a 3rd gen stud against him to see if he is a better breeder than Pearlotta. If you did and it stated "so and so is as good as Pearlotta, then you know that the 3rd gen you tested against him is only as good as you best 2nd gen stud, and you want them to be better. Once you find a 3rd gen horse that is better than Pearlotta, then you can test other 3rd gens against him to see how they rank. If you get one better than the one you tested, he becomes your new 3rd gen benchmark stud unless you breed something better.
This is how I understand it anyway, and I could be wrong about some of it, or all of it, and I don't quite practice it myself, as it takes quite a bit of hb's to test the horses against each other to find your benchmark stud, but if you can do it, go for it and you will be breeding your horses better that way.
If someone else wants to chime in and make it clearer, please do!
Edit: LOL, late again. Looks like you got great info from CF. :) -
I'm a firm believer that the more different ways something is explained, the better! Everyone absorbs information differently so the more people that 'reword' the same information makes it clearer for someone down the line! :)
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Ok yeah I am learning and didn't look at their homepages. I think I am getting it now though. I had never done the comparison before and right now Dancer and Pearlotta are my primary stallions that I breed to and my Best friend foal has the genes I wanted to get into tobiano rabicano genes and pearlotta has my pearl gene.
So was trying to figure out if BF foal would ne a good stud in the future. Now that you all have explained it it is making sense.
So now I will just compare the studs in their own generation. Thank you. -
Here's another way of using the Comparison test, and it's one that I sometimes find helpful.
Once you get beyond the foundation/second generation*, sometimes a colt will paper the same as his sire--both B, for instance. If I don't already have any A papered sons of that sire, I will comparison test them. If the colt tests "worse than" or "about the same" (which really means that the son might be a little bit worse at breeding than the sire, the same as his sire, or a little bit better), I will geld the colt. If he tests superior to his sire, even though he only papers B, I will keep him intact until I get an A papered son from that sire. That is, also, if the son also has all the color/pattern genes from his sire that I'm looking for. If he doesn't have any, I will geld him, or, if I leave him intact, take him out of the breeding pool for that line and use him for another or just for building up my string of show horses.
If I do have A papered sons from that sire, the colt gets gelded.
*I never keep a 2nd gen colt that papers C intact.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
I went through my barns and now am keeping a log what generation my horses are so that I don't compare 2 different generations. It will take some time but I think I will be able to figure out my better stallions.
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Is it good to compare a colt to his sire? I am almost certain that the colt will be better than his sire who is foundation his son is a 2nd generation colt. So would it be a hood idea to compare sire and son?
Sire
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=300313
Son
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=525034
Son is uneven by that he is
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Best--you may want to paper your colts before you compare them. So if this colt papers B, you can fairly safely assume that he is at least a tad bit better than his dad. At that point comparing to his dad becomes an exercise in trying to figure out how much better he is--is he AGA and therefore truly just a tad better, or is he Superior?
If he papers C like his dad, you could compare to see if he's inferior, AGA or superior...but if he papers C you may not want to keep him intact at all...in which case you can skip the expensive comparison test! -
Right now I can't paper him. I am working toward that goal. So comparison testing is right now my best option. I have mares that I want to breed to the son if he is better than his sire. Tha is why I was asking if it is good to do a comparison on them since right now I only have a free account.