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Wild Bay


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=300227

Wild Vines is a wild bay horse. He is Ee A+a. A+ is the gene for wild bay, the most dominant of the agouti genes. It will cover up A and At, the other two dominant forms of the gene. As you can see, Wild vines has quite minimal black markings on his legs, much less pronounced than on a normal bay or A_ horse.

Wild Bay is particularly affected by the darkening genes Ssty and DP (Dense Pheomelanin). I will give examples of these in a later post but if you click the search below you can see a variety of wild bay horses I own and how widely their color can change.

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Brown


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=324420

Rovers End is brown. She is Ee AtAt with no darkening sooty genes. As you can see, she is quite similar in color to Padma Patil.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=347417

However, as you can see with Cheetah Wish, once you add any sooty to a brown colored horse, their color changes significantly. This girl is Ee Ata SstyS and has a much darker brown body overall with that reddish belly. This is a quite distinctive form of the brown color and is only more pronounced with more darkening genes present.

Brown At genes are only dominant over the recessive form of agouti, a. The other two dominant Agouti genes are more dominant than At.

Just remember, that if you color test your horse, the gene sequence is clickable for individual genes, so you can click on them and it takes you to a page to help you learn about the gene. :)

Buckskin--Bay with Cream


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=270250

Trevannion is a non-sooty buckskin. He is Ee AA. He is also a roan, with minimal expression (very few white hairs).


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=286109

Diffendor is a buckskin with heterozygous Ssty.

As with the other colors, there can be considerable variations in the images.

Perlino--Bay with homozygous Cream


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Torrigantur is a non-sooty Perlino. Once again, you will note the blue eyes.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=258873

Chance of Toffee is homozygous Ssty and appears a bit darker than Torrigantur.

Dun is another dilution gene, not as strongly diluting as Cream, and effective on both red and black coats. It can also be found in combination with the other dilution genes--Cream, Silver, and Champagne. In real life Dun can frequently be seen by a dark stripe down the back bone and less frequently by a cross stripe over the withers. It also sometimes gives "Zebra stripes" on the legs. Here are some examples of dun on different coat colors.

Dun on Chestnut--Red Dum


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=309400

Touch the Bonfire is a red dun with heterozygous sooty. You can see her dorsal stripe as a darker brown line along her spine and her zebra stripes above her knees and hocks.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=289436

Xerxes is a Liver Red Dun, meaning he has homozygous Sooty and a copy of Dense Pheomelanin (DP), a non-testable gene that darkens red coats, although black horse can carry the gene without showing it, since they have no red hairs. You can clearly see his dorsal stripe, which gets noticeably thicker at the withers. He also has some Zebra striping, although his high white stockings hide most of it. Look at the back of his hind hock, just above the stocking to see the traces. One stripe shows slightly at the front of his right front leg, as well.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=288078

Rubanias is a homozygous Sooty Red Dun. Her dorsal and Zebra stripes are plain to see.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=309395

Modest Charm is a non-sooty red dun with Rabicano stripes on her barrel. She, too has both dorsal and zebra stripes. You may also have noticed that the lower legs and muzzles of Red Dun horses are darker than their body color.

Red Dun with Cream--Palomino Dun


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=334188

Sparkling Embrace is a non-sooty Palomino Dun. She has no apparent dorsal stripe, but there is just a hint of zebra stripes above her hock. The Cream gene appears to have diluted most of the dun markers. She is a bit darker than some non-sooty palominos, however.

Black with Dun--Grullo


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=300978

Liquid Fantasy is a non-Sooty Grullo. She displays the lightening that Dun causes with black hair. Her Tobiano markings mask most of the other dun markers.


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Repeated Current is also a non-Sooty Grullo. The dun markers are clearly present on her coat.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=328576

Tulip Dreams is a heterozygous Sooty Grullo. While Sooty generally is invisible on blacks, when a dilution gene is present, there can be some darkening. Note that the Dun markers are less visible than they were on Repeated Current.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=270310

Diannus is a homozygous Sooty Grullo. His Dun markers are clearly visible. Notice that his gene test shows that he is homozygous recessive for Agouti, so, in spite of his black mane, tail, and lower legs, is definitely not a very, very dark Bay.

Black with Cream and Dun--Smokey Grullo


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=286807

Castaway Dreamer is a non-Sooty Smokey Grullo. As with regular blacks, the heterozygous Cream has no diluting effects on the coat.

Dense Pheomelanin (DP); I have been asked to give you some examples of this gene, so here it is, a bit sooner than I'd planned on dealing with it.

This is a gene that cannot be tested using the Color Testing feature of the game. It causes red pigment pheolmelanin) in hair cells to multiply, making them much darker. It is easier to spot in Chestnut horses than it is in Bays, although the red body hairs of Bays can also be influenced by DP. Horses can be either heterozygous or homozygous for DP. Homozygous DP causes more darkening than heterozygous DP. When it is joined in Chestnut horses by Sooty, which causes black pigment in hair cells from the top down, Liver Chestnuts are produced. We have noticed the darkening effect of Sooty in the discussion of some of the dilution genes above.

So, horses can have up to four alleles of darkening genes--2 for Sooty and 2 for DP. It takes at least 3 darkening alleles to make a Liver Chestnut, 2 Sty and 1 DP or 1 Sty and 2 DP. Chestnuts and Palominos that are homozygous for both Sooty and DP appear black, and in real life are sometimes called Black Chestnuts or Palominos. In the game, however, we only have a special name for the Chestnuts with 3 or 4 darkening alleles--Liver Chestnuts.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=351229

KZ Finalized is a Liver Chestnut with homozygous Sooty. His coat is a smooth, even dark chocolate brown. This means that he is heterozygous for DP, giving him 3 darkening alleles. Because he is homozygous recessive for Pangare, there is no lightening of the hairs on his muzzle and belly.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=343932

Exchange the Light is, despite his appearance, a Liver Chestnut horse. His genetic test returned ee AA, which proves that he is Chestnut. He is homozygous for sooty, so the fact that he appears black confirms that he is also homozygous for DP.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=368629

Dreliarist is a Liver Chestnut with heterozygous Pangare. He is homozygous Sooty and heterozygous DP.

Palominos with 3 darkening Alleles are sometimes called Chocolate Palominos.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=204198

Cuyamaca Fog is a Chocolate Palomino. She is homozygous for Sooty, and heterozygous for DP.


http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=380033

Sampon Jalava is listed as a Chocolate Palomino. He is homozygous Sooty, and appears dark brown. However, since he is noticeabley darker than his Chocolate Palomino dam, he may have a copy of DP from her and a copy of DP from his Liver Chestnut sire as well.