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How do you cull
  • What do you require to keep a horse intact, PT, paper per generation, consistinsy...I’d like to snip some mares and some studs
  • I start culling in the barn page. I don’t look at anyone until I’ve run them through tests. Even when creating horses I tend to skip to the control panel while the pic loads.

    First I run SBA, performance testing and gene testing. Then I open the search page for that barn, deselect gelding and spayed mares and sort by consistency. Go to the last page and snip all the inconsistent horses. I only breed for grullo so next I put grullo in the colour box and select not like (on hj1 I also select must not have on nexus and Axiom so the homo horses don’t show up) then I geld everything that shows up on the search results.

    Then I go back to the barn and run breeding inspection.

    At this point I usually run through and quickly add prefixes to the intact horses and sort them into their generations barn.

    Each generation has their own barn and I keep the top 2 paper levels intact in each. And once the higher paper level starts to be the majority I snip the lower paper level.

    Last I open all the studs pages that I used and click the link to the foals. Foals from my ice, nexus, axiom and plaid studs must inherit at least 1 copy of the fantasy gene.

    This cuts down most of my horses. The mares for the most part don’t get touched much after just moved into pastures.

    The colts all get compared against their sire and must be superior. I try to compare brothers against brothers but since my computer died I don’t have my spreadsheet to mark who’s been tested against who without opening everyone’s page. I also geld brothers who have lower paper levels. I also typically only keep 3 stud colts from each stud. Depending on the day I’ll keep the top 3 PT scores or some other arbitrary point.

    In September I went through and altered any studs that were not EE, DD and most of my single kit (since I have a KP line on HJ1 I want to make sure lots of double kit horses in my herds and also I love lots of patterns) I will probably continue to cull on genetics for a while to reduce the likelihood of non-grullo foals.

    On hj1 I organized my mind pastures and then went through my studs outside of the pastures and snipped all the 3+ year olds since they weren’t needed. Some of the lower generations have <6 studs in the pastures so I dont need more.
  • Writing it all out makes it look like a ton of work but it doesn’t usually take me long once I sit down to do it
  • I usually don't have hard numbers when I do it - instead, I compare like to like and snip the worst.

    For example, if I've decided that my snowflake line is fine but my kp line has gotten too big, I go for the KPs first. I'll go into barn, sort by name (which really just means sorting by generation) and/or go into search and do the same thing, and look for "odd man out" on the lower end. That means oddly low PT or paper, or less of the genes I want, and snip those. I compare one generation at a time, mares to mares and studs to studs.

    Usually that starts with some obvious ones (a het DP when all the others are hom, or a snowflake lacking appy, etc) but if I haven't culled enough I'll move to finer details, like a lower PT (inconsistent vs consistent doesn't matter too much) or the lack of one or two smaller genes.


    When it comes to breeding (before culling, the basic requirements to stay intact once they're born) pretty much any colt gets SBA. There are a few very rare occasions where one or two colts have passed BA only, but I think that's only one in the past three months. Fillies get BI, BA, or SBA depending on line. BI for bootstraps (they have to paper aga or better than dams, with no more than two gens of stagnation), BA for smaller lines or higher gens, and SBA for larger lines/2Gs.
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  • Well, I always do SBA on everything that comes from the pastures. I then color test everybody and make sure to mark any snowflakes and double check their lines to be sure I have the pedigree marked.

    All foals resulted from pasture breedings that pass SBA are then sent through the other tests. I then go through and sort the inconsistents. I've decided I am keeping too many and this is one way I keep the herd fine combed. I will GMT anything that's extraordinary but generally they still sell quite nicely and I'm happy to sell.

    Then I look at papers. Absolutely nothing here is kept that is Red papered beyond G3. I have, I believe 5 fillies that are Red G3 and 1 B G3 stud that are hom KP/hom SNF/dp that I play with but otherwise everything else is sold immediately.

    I want G2 Blues from my general population fillies (I am a little looser on my KP & SNF lines and will keep reds but transitioning from that these last few months). A papered studs at G2 (same with the fillies, trying to transition to ALL blue/A but it's slow going so I do keep B papered G2 until thus happens). I ONLY keep B foundations and Red foundations. I play with yellow foundations with embryos in the labs and use semen I've purchased. ALL yellow G2 are snipped unless someone has expressed interest (for example an HOM KP or HOM SNF that passed SBA).

    When I narrow those down, then I start to comparison test colts. Anything AGA stud is sold. WTS are snipped. Stale papers are snipped G3+ (2 Gen of A, or 3 gen of A), and anything that went backwards with PT are snipped. Then I compare the Colts that are STS to my benchmarks that I'm already using. If they're AGA them, they stay and grow so I can decide later. If they are worse, they're sold (still STS).

    I have a general range on what I like to see for PT, which is just another tool to help me keep the herd thinned. I make exceptions because it is not a depiction of breeding ability. I like to see 10.5-11.2 at G2, 10.8-11.5 at G3. 11-11.8 at G4 and anything over 11.5 with G5+.

    Then I look back on color patterns and genetics. I prefer combo genes on an individual and I also prefer loud patterns, so solids usually are to be sold generally speaking. I will also sell my "gen pop" when I need space for special genes. They're pretty replaceable, even if they're pretty "Elite".

    Oh also, if I ever wind up with a Cob or a SP, they're sold. I don't breed them. Unless they're absolutely exceptional, then I'll GMT to my liking. I prefer 15+ hh. No restriction on bone.

    Once a month I look at my 8 year old pasture mares. Mares move to pasture at breeding age and sit and accumulate bonus. They live here. Some people show everything and rotate pastures and hand breed. I have too many mares. It makes for less income but I enjoy the game more the way I run things. Anyway... once a month I look at my 8 year old gals. I look at their AFPT. They need to have equal or better than their own to stay. AND I want to see at least one intact at 8 years old. If they don't cut it, theyre sold. Many folks have done very well with some of these cull mares from me, I just don't have the space for nonproductive mares.

    In terms of studs and doing the job, I NEED to see them producing intacts on the regular. If I breed a pasture of 30, I want to see at least 10 intacts. If he's not producing me intacts, he will be put on watch. He is also sold if he has two bad seasons, or if his AFPT is not equal or greater to his own PT. There are so many breeders in this game, there's no reason to sit on something that isn't advancing you.

    I have been flushing 5 to 8 mares a season, single eggs to play with. I like to use my purchased semen on them as it gives me a way to introduce genetics. I am a little easier on fillies from eggs and if they pass BA, and are Red G2+, they stay. Colts still need to pass SBA and be STS. Others are snipped or sold.

    Sounds like a lot but once I get going, it usually takes me 2 or 3 days to sort my foals. It would be less but I don't have the barn space for housing while I sort. I usually dump a couple pastures into my biggest two barns and sort those in bulk and do the advanced pastures by hand as they're smaller sized.
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  • I do it a little bit differently than a lot of people, and I change a lot, so just find a way that works for you!

    Anyhooo...

    The way I go now is really strict on stallions, and not very strict on mares. So I have tons of “mare lag”. Which is bad from the perspective I don’t have lots of intacts. And bad because that means I have lots of mares which means lots of sorting. But it’s good because I get lots of auction fodder, and altered show ponies.

    Currently, I SBA ALL colts no matter what.

    At 2G i SBA everyone. I used to only require that colts pass SBA and were visually pleasing (and papered B)Then I required that they tested superior to an expro foundation stud. Now I have so many foals that I just bulk test all of them and use the bulk options to put all of the B papered in an “auction” barn and don’t even look at them. I “grandfathered” in all of the existing 2G stallions that were B papered but when I search for a 2G with what colors I want I search by paper so I see the B papereds less often so they get used less and they are slowly dying of old age but still get automatically shown. Any yellow mares I toss in the auction barn as well. I tried skipping BI ing the mares as it was getting expensive and I used expro foundations but then a few yellows snuck through the cracks so now I do BI all of them.

    At 3G I SBA all colts. And BA or SBA the fillies whichever way I’m feeling that day.... colts must test superior to 2G A. Fillies can be red still. So as you can see already getting pretty decent mare lag. Still using bulk testing and don’t PT test yet.

    4G SBA colts and test AGA my benchmark. Little bit harder to sort as I have to go to each page to test to my benchmark. But mediocre looking ones I don’t even bother. Pretty red fillies get tossed in show line and produce auction fodder, or more fillies for show line. Ugly fillies get PT tested. This is the first gen I start PT testing the altered ones.

    5G is another gen that’s easy to sort by bulk testing. Colts have to pass SBA and paper star*. No comparison testing (yet). Fillies just have to pass BA. If they paper red then I made a big mistake somewhere and stallion needs to be culled. Blue papered stay.

    Don’t get many yet, but 6G is SBA for colts and BA for fillies. Everyone has to be Gold*/Star*. Blues get tossed in show line. PT all altereds.

    Show line SBA all colts. Nothing on fillies unless stallion is B papered (which is rare). Then BI test all fillies. Then PT test all red papered and lower. Depending on looks, snip snip for the red papered.

    PT culling... I used to require 10.7 PT. Then I required 11 PT. Now I only require 10.5. Thinking about changing it to 10.3. PT didn’t have as much affect on lifetime points as I thought it would be. (PM me if you want results of my experiment). So I mostly cull my points at a certain age. I used to require 500 points at 10 years. But the higher PT don’t even level off until later. So now unless they are way behind, now I only cull at 17yrs for 800 points. Which is similar to 2500$ a month which is what you would get if you auctioned them. Why keep a horse that will get 2500$ at auction when it will take them 6 weeks to make that much and they might not even make it through next season? Also, it’s similar to how much a yellow mare makes every month just producing auction fodder...

    If you decide you want to have more intacts as your goal remember it’s more about making sure your stallion is even in quality with your mares than looking for a particularly good/bad stallion. And make sure you have plenty of pasture bonus.
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