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White Factor
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Can you breed for white factor? On most of my Kit genes I love them best if they've got a low/none white factor, especially if I'm breeding for KP. I'm wondering if anyone's ever tried this.
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Never tried i think its just chanceLife is Special live it to your fullest
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You think based on what?
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I mean when i bred messiah
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=357476
Her dads WF was minimal and her mothers was extensive. I think you may breed itLife is Special live it to your fullest -
I'm not sure, but I think it's somewhat heritable. If the WF of the parents is widely different--none and extensive--the foal's WF is usually somewhere in between. I've never plotted it out, but I do know that if both parents have a relatively high WF, the foal will have the same. If they both have low WF, the foal's WF will probably be low.
Personally, if I have a stallion with a Kit mutation, for instance, and no white factor or minimal WF, I tend to breed him to mares with Medium to Extensive so that the foal will show the pattern (the opposite of your trend *G*). It usually works for me.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
SandyCreek Farm: ID# 441
also playing H&J1 as SandyCreek Acres: ID# 137592 -
I will say that it seems like (but I haven't gone back to do a real study of it) my high white factor white 1 foundation mares tend to throw high white factor white 1 foals, even when bred to solid stallions with little white. I've now culled most of those mares and foals, so I can't go back and look.
Like Abbey I'm not thrilled about super white ponies. My current favorite pattern in the whole game is splash where the horse gets the blue eye and either no white or just the tiniest splash of white on lips, ankles and/or tail tip. Definitely striking, especially in a dark base color. -
I have bred for White Factor before, because like you, I like very little white. I always tried to find White Factor None horses (especially blacks).
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Pretty sure you can! I had few spot app stud (sold now) that often threw leopards and near leopards. Now I have a plain blanket app, and he rarely even throws shoulder length blankets.
The few spot: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=317666
Blanket: http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=317637
The few spot is hom for patn1, while the blanket is only het (edit: whoops, he doesn't have any patn1!), but I don't think it has anything to do with white factor other than putting on spots right? -
I think that the amount of blanket/spots on an appy is a completely different genetic factor than white factor which controls the amount of basic chrome.
We used to have a PATN: listed on the horse's genetics test that pertained to appy only, that showed None (no spots or blanket) up to Extensive (leopard). The game has been updated with new appy genetics and it doesn't show the same, but I think it's still not related to WF. -
Oh, ahah. I actually just looked at the rest of my stock and you are completely right. Leopards with minimal WF. Awkward :p.
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http://hj2.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=360606
Just bred this filly from a large WF mare and a no WF stallion. Filly tests as medium WF. I realize a single example doesn't make a trend, but it is a concrete example!
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Seems legit. I guess I'm most interested in whether breeding none-none, or high-high, produces reliable results. Off to experiment.
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I haven't color tested many of my foundations...if you are interested in a wider pool of results k can do a bunch of color testing in my Uluru pasture. He's medium WF with tobiano, splash and rab. I color test most of his intact foals looking for satin carriers anyway, so it wouldn't be a hardship go color test some more of the mares to get a good comparison from a middle of the road WF stallion--see if the foals' white factor consistently trends toward their mom's from middle.
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I'm going through and hand breeding color tested mares (all of my stallions are tested).
Early results:
None x None = None
None x Minimal = Light
Large x Large = Extensive
Light x Medium = Extensive
None x None = Light
The light x med = ext surprises me. About half the horses from these breedings were gelded, and I'm not color testing those, so it's a little slow going. I might also just do some searches and see if I can find color tested horses whose parents are also color tested. -
OK I think my answer is yes, it's heritable, with some room for variation, and at first glance it looks like there's a lot more room for variation in the midtones of WF (as opposed to none or extensive).
Of the horses I looked at, which had WFs of None and Minimal
Horse who have a WF of None:
3 none x none
3 none x minimal
4 none x light
2 minimal x medium
1 light x light
1 none x large
Horses who have a WF of Minimal:
1 none x minimal
1 none x light
2 none x large
1 none x extensive
1 minimal x light
2 minimal x medium
1 minimal x large
1 light x medium
1 light x large
This is certainly not a comprehensive scientific cross section but it's enough for me to come to the above conclusion.Thanked by 1RoseFlute