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Quick question about perlinos
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First off A cremelo is a chestnut with 2 creams
A smokey cream is a black with 2 creams
And a perlino is a bay with 2 creams, right?
Is a brown (E At) with 2 creams still considered a perlino? I was recently told a brown horse with 2 creams is a false perlino and is, in fact, a "seal brown cream"
This didn't make much sense to me. It's still augouti with double cream so would it be a perlino wouldn't it? I tried looking it up but couldn't find anything
I'll be asking them for sources
Edit
This is unrelated but what white pattern would you call this
http://friesianfury.blogspot.com/2014/04/roaning-large-areas-made-easy-with.html?m=1----
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I’m not that much of an expert myself, but it’s possible it’s a regional name thing?
Here’s the wikipedia article on “seal brown” as opposed to “brown”, though it doesn’t talk necessarily about the cream:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_brown_(horse)ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
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In game, a brown with Hom Cream is a Perlino. In real life, I have no idea! In game a brown based buckskin is also still just a Buckskin and while I’ve heard of “smutty” buckskins that are very dark, I’ve never heard of any “official” term for a brown based buckskin in real life.
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irl, I know a few people who use buckskin>brownskin>dunskin, etc...sooty/smutty may get added to those.
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I honestly don't think it's an actual thing. Pretty sure you're right about it being a regional thing. Like how some call chestnut horses sorrels.
I just don't understand why a At perlino would be any different. It's still a perlino
I find regional and none genetic based color names really interesting. Dove grey is grullo, taffy is silver black or brown roan. It's all the same----
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It sounds like fb genetic group nonsense to me. They make up all sorts of whack job things. Since the test for agouti actually tests for the recessive black allele, not for the bay allele there is no way to even say if a perlino has a variant form of bay anyways.
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The white pattern you posted looks a little like In Game KitM Roan, or perhaps Sabino Roan. But as far as real life, I’m really not sure but would again think Sabino of some sort with those high white leg markings...definitely defer to those who are more experienced though!!!
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@Cheers I did more digging and it is supposed to be an odd expression of sabino and roan. I think it's very cool!
This is their exact response
"I don't have any references on hand currently, sorry! But I'll take a look through my stuff and see if anything relates; mostly it's just information I've accumulated on the Seal gene itself.
Seal brown has been proven to be separate from the bay family (bay and wild bay), despite using the Agouti marker. Thus, adding cream does not make a Perlino, rather a seal brown cream.
When you have a Seal Brown, you've got Extension with the Seal (At) present; without extension, you would have a chestnut carrying the seal gene. If you have Extension with a Seal carrier, you would still see and expressed Seal Brown though I'm not quite sure why this is. By adding cream, you're lightening the coat of the base its found on; double cream on Seal just makes it more of a milky chocolate color, but you still retain the mealy or tan points. Adding double cream to a bay, which has the black restricted to the points entirely, lightens the already lighter red/brown tones of the majority of the coat. This is also why the points can seem to take on a tan, orange-y tone to their points. c:
I hope this sorta makes sense? I'm no expert, not by a long shot, so if you find other references I'm always open to reading things, too. "
Here is a link to the original conversation
https://www.chickensmoothie.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=3888498----
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In-game, we have the luxury of being able to gene-test every horse and know exactly what they are. In real life, relatively few horses are color tested on every known allele. Thus, it's nice to have color names like dunskin/seal brown cream etc, but phenotypically, they present the same as a bay dun or a perlino, and so really it's impossible to tell. Technically, seal brown cream could be a name to use in terms of naming the genes that a horse carries (like black dun instead of grullo, or bay double dilute cream instead of perlino) but in reality, those names aren't widespread because people are calling horse colors based on what they see phenotypically. So I would say that seal brown cream is technically correct, but for practical use perlino works better because it is a term everyone knows.ID# 43830
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The response that they gave you doesn't make sense to me. They list phenotypical differences between double creams on bay and brown. The problem that I have with that is that a lot of double creams look exactly alike, regardless of black, bay or red base. Everything I have read about At is at least a year and a half old, so what I know about it is dated. The last I had seen At was not testable, and some researchers believe that multiple genes could be at work for. Those two factors make me look kind of sideways at the description seal brown cream. Besides, perlino is just easier to say : )