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Having trouble getting good third gens
  • I love my second gen stallion. He was a gift, he is currently my benchmark, and he works well in both of my lines. However, I'm having a hard time getting blue-papered third gens out of him. He did produce one A-papered colt out of an expro foundie mare, but his other foals have failed BA or passed and papered red. The ones that fail mostly paper red as well. Is this mare lag already at 2nd gen? What should I be doing differently to get high red/blue third gen fillies?

    The stallion in question:

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    2B Magi
    ID# 43830
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  • Something I would do is put your 2g mares in for the full bonus pasture which is 30 days. That will help. Also breed him to all red mares. Don't worry about PT right bow because their PT scores are for showing.

    If you want I can go through my 3g girls and see what I have as far as blue girls go.
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  • Of his 15 kids 8 are intact. IF they all went through BA that is a darned good ratio! That is over half of his foals passing!

    I agree with best friend, put him to mares with a full pasture bonus.
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  • Thank you, that makes me feel a lot better! The mares did have full pasture bonus. I have some adulting to do the next month or two, but should be able to get another pasture in September or October.
    ID# 43830
    |<> Favorite flavors: wild bay, S+, satin, and ice 9. <>|
  • Just as an example, my Hidden Gates stallion has 29 foals total (that are still alive....I don't know how many altered foals have been through the auction and were deleted, but there had to be a bunch because this is his second season, and I put him to my big pastures). Only 4 of them are intact, and of those 4 I got one Blue filly and one A colt.
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  • That is encouraging, thank you!
    ID# 43830
    |<> Favorite flavors: wild bay, S+, satin, and ice 9. <>|
  • He's probably only a low/mid B paper, so you won't get many A/Blues from him. Just keep using him, the ones that failed BA you didn't want anyway. As you get some blues you can slowly cull the red gen3's
  • Makes sense. Where are exceptionally perfect foundations on the B/Red range? Maybe I can test him against my Hidden Gates to better pinpoint his abilities. If I breed C/Red foundations, I would get a higher quality second gen, correct? Maybe I'll try that.
    ID# 43830
    |<> Favorite flavors: wild bay, S+, satin, and ice 9. <>|
  • To get intact horses it’s best to breed:

    C- yellow
    B-red
    A- blue
    Star- gold

    That way the mare and stud are closer in quality and the foal doesn’t have to be that much better than the one just to be close enough to the other to pass intact.

    If you’ve only gotten 1 A papered colt from that stud it will be reasonable to only get 1 blue papered mare from him.

    It is also reasonable to have 2-3 generations of the same paper level in a row before moving up since you can have 2-3 superior to sire studs (direct descendents grandsire, sire, colt) with the same papers. Since he if from c- yellow foundations I would be happy with B- red from him and then the next Gen push for A- blue
  • I don't mind about not getting intact foals if the few that pass are better quality. The last two seasons my RS stud has given me almost 100% intact when crossed to yellow mares but I've only kept maybe 8 of his foals.
    ID# 43830
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  • Someone correct me if I’m wrong here, buuut I believe:

    Perfect foundations are 100% breeding ability
    ExPerfs are 105%

    Adding a +1% boost to a PF will bump their papering up to a B/red
    Adding a 5% (but not less) to an ExPerf will bump their papering up to an A/blue

    This should mean that C/Yellow should be 90-something through 100%, and B/red should be 101-109%, leaving A/blue to be 110% up to some unspecified number: when I become a barn big enough to do so, I want to test more, of course, probably through liberal use of cloning, to find out where star/gold sits. If anyone has already done such testing or knows the number, let me know!

    A couple horses from a breeding test thing Ammit did a while back (the numbers at the beginning of their names are their breeding %)

    100 is a C perfect foundie, 105 is the ExPerf, 110 is A papered, as is 115.

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    100 Pasture Test Stud


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    105 Pasture Test Stud


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    110 Pasture Test Stud


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    115 Pasture Test Stud


    The barn names show her intact rate to each one - with 30 days of pasture bonus and without.

    http://hj2.huntandjump.com/member.php?uid=420




    In short: your ExPerfs are mid-range B/red. :P
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    The fortitude to resist the shiny ones I truly don't,
    And the wisdom to know there will always be more next time.
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