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Mare lag
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I’ve seen folks talk about this on the subject of breeding even. What is mare lag?
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It's where the mare's quality is not as good as the stallions of the same generation, due to stallion testing being more rigorous than mare testing.#28036
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Yup! Pretty much because you get roughly half and half numbers of colts/fillies but you only need one or two colts for every generation, testing tends to be stricter on the colts, with perfectly fine but not amazingly good colts snipped or sold because they have brothers better than they are. The best of the best stays, but with the fillies, all of the ones that fit your criteria stay, even if one filly is better than her sisters or another is worse. In one generation, this isn't too big of a gap, but over time it can make it extremely difficult to get foals that pass BA when you match generations to make even pedigrees. People have lots of different ways of dealing with it, but in the end you just gotta pick whatever works for you.ISO any and all Silver Pocket Watches!
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It’s generally a collective term. It’s hard to tell at a glance which mares in a group (usually a generation group whether that be by symmetrical pedigree generation or paper generation) are of lesser quality than their peers, and since Comparison Testing doesn’t exist for mares you can’t tell that way.
There are a variety of ways to combat it but I can think of 4 main ones off the top of my head.
Pasture breeding, utilizing all of part of the pasture bonus, is one way to combat mare lag. This will cause mares to throw foals from the top end of their Breeding Ability Range, which may be more in keeping with their slightly superior stallion partner’s range.
Breeding “evenly” by paper (yellow/C, Red/B, Blue/A, Gold/Star) is another. This is usually in contrast to either Bootstrap or Benchmark/symmetrical generation breeding.
Culling active broodmares by AFPT is another method. Average Foal Performance Test score has long been an officially recognized indicator of the breeding ability of a parent. In general you want to compare AFPTs between a group of similar mares, bred to the same or a similar stallion, with the same amount of pasture bonus, and with at least 3 foals. The Premium Upgrade automatically calculates AFPT for all living, tested foals. If you don’t have this upgrade, you can calculate it for yourself by adding all the PTs up and dividing the total by the number of tested foals. Then cull the bottom X # of mares as suits your program, or develop a cut off and cull any mares below that cut off.
The final method is more of a way to quickly increase your mare quality than a way to combat mare lag—Bootstrap Breeding can move your mares up the paper levels much faster than even paper or symmetrical breeding. In Bootstrapping you breed whatever mares you have to the very best Star stallion you can get access to. You test the colts and allow them all to be snipped, but you keep the fillies intact and use them to breed back to their father or a similar quality stallion when they are old enough. After a few “generations” of this, even starting with Yellow quality mares, you should start to read Gold papered mare quality for at least some of your fillies.
If any of this doesn’t make sense, please don’t hesitate to ask for clarification.Thanked by 1Lallyhop -
Mare lag used to be worse before SBA also compared to the stallion, it used to just compare to the mare. So we could put really higher quality stallions to any mares and as long as the filly foals were as good as or better than the mare they stayed intact. This created huge mare lag as the generations went on. Now as long as I do SBA the mare lag should be only one generation behind, which isn't too bad to deal with.
For instance my gen2 mares mostly paper red, I might get a few blues, all yellows are spayed. But the stallions are mostly A papered, maybe a few high B's. So on average the mare's quality will be a bit behind the stallions, not all, but over half of them maybe lower quality. When I do SBA on the foals, it will snip if they aren't comparable to the stallions quality, so the next generation of mares will be better than the last. So although there will be some mare lag, it's nowhere what it used to be -
Ahhh ok that makes sense.
I just tried the pasture breeding for the first time and I got my first foal that failed it’s breeding inspection and was fixed.
Does breeding even only apply to papers and not PT scores? And is this how folks get more intact offspring? Or am I misreading this whole breeding even thing entirely? -
I breed even generations, not necessarily horses with the same paper quality. If you breed horses of the same paper quality together you are more likely to get intact foals if that is your goal. So red mares are the equivalent to B papered stallions, blue mares to A stallions etc
PT scores are not directly related to breeding quality, it's a separate number to the breeding quality. A horse could have a low PT and still be a good breeding prospect. The foals PT scores are a better indication of the parents breeding quality. So a high PT doesn't mean the horse is good, but means at least one of it's parents could have been.Thanked by 1Lallyhop -
Ahhhhhhh!!!! Ok that clears things up pretty well. I’ve had a hard time discerning how each thing effects what between breeding and showing.