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- BlackWyld June 2018
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Fifteen Babies!
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Three of my does have had litters this week, and I'm so excited. They're the first kits my rabbitry has had in a year and a half!ID: 45055
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Long, long story, but the first two litters have satin angora mothers, and the father is from my astrex project. Angora, astrex, satin, and rex are all recessive, though, so they should have fairly normal coats.
The bottom litter is an astrex project litter, so hopefully at least some of them will have curly coats. Even the ones that aren't curly should still be rex.ID: 45055
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Oh my!!! I miss bunny babies!!!
My dad used to breed Netherland Dwarfs and Holland Lops when I was a kid. (Mostly for the pet trade)
When I got older I fiddled with breeding show quality Silver Martins.ID# 47364
Breeding for all version of black drafts. (Including black liver)
Help me build my black brindle army!
Always looking to buy foundation brindle drafts in black, blue roan, grullo, classic champagne, etc.
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In a nutshell, I had been trying to breed the two satin angora does to a satin angora buck, but they weren't having it. Both of them clamped their butts to the ground and wouldn't cooperate. Meanwhile, KickFlip, my astrex buck, was outside the 3-foot-tall pen I had them in, and was clear on the other side of the room.
I decide to call it a night, put the satin angora buck back, and while I'm setting him back in his cage, KickFlip races across the room, scales the pen, and in the twenty seconds before I can get down the stepladder and get in there to get him out, both does had lifted happily for him. One month later? Two mixed-breed litters because apparently Astrex bucks are sexier than angora ones.ID: 45055
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Baby buns are so cute! I have to know, what is an astrex?Thanked by 1ConfluenceFarms
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Hahahahaha!!!!ID# 47364
Breeding for all version of black drafts. (Including black liver)
Help me build my black brindle army!
Always looking to buy foundation brindle drafts in black, blue roan, grullo, classic champagne, etc.
I work a 7day on 7day off schedule and my activity here will reflect that.
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Astrex are a UK breed that went extinct 50-ish years ago. Every now and then, though, a curly-coated baby will pop up in another breed. I'm a member of a scattered bunch of breeders trying to recreate the breed from these curly oddballs.
The problem is that often times a curly baby doesn't result in a curly adult. Or sometimes they molt out all their curls, and then suddenly five years later, the curls come back for no apparent reason. Or sometimes all the fur just molts out and they're bald forever. Or just bald for three weeks.
The genes involved are bonkers, basically. Our current best guess is that a good astrex coat is the result of three recessives, and there are additional recessives that cause things like bald rabbits when combined with it.ID: 45055
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When it works out, though, they're spectacular. The buck in this image isn't one of mine, sadly. He's from Goldenspike Rabbitry, iirc.ID: 45055
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That's amazing. If I still bred rabbits I would now be determined to breed for those too :PID: 16853
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Fascinating! Good luck with your litters.De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."
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They're beautiful! I've got 5, 5-week-old Rex kits at the moment! :x
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That is so fascinating. And that rabbit is so pretty. The coat looks almost poodle like. Are there breeders in the US?
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There are astrex coated rabbits in the US, but they are not common. There is a facebook group dedicated to them. Seeral people believe there is an allele on the rex coat gene that plays a part in astrex coats. In the US, most astrex came from rex coated rabbits. Several people are breeding astrex to rex lines that have produced astrex types, and are starting to get more consistent results.#28036
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@RipshinCreekFarm
The breeding group working on reviving the breed is mostly scattered around the US and Canada. The Canadian breeders are producing more consistently curled kits than most in the United States, though, with the very best examples coming from Helga Vierich's herd at Goldenspike Rabbitry.
@Haltanny, gotta make a few slight corrections there.
Rex-coated rabbits are extremely common in the US. Mini-rex are actually the most common breed of rabbit in the United States.
From the best evidence we have (based on Helga's very detailed breeding records), the curls of an astrex rabbit are the result of homozygous recessive alleles at three separate loci, not just one. Also, none of these loci are the rex locus.
However, the curls tend to show up better on a rex coat, particularly when the animal is young. So while rex is not at all a prerequisite for curls, and not all astrex are rex, the best examples usually are.
If I recall correctly, the rabbit who's image I posted earlier is not homozygous for rex.ID: 45055
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How do they fair in hot, humid weather? I would imagine the hairless ones would be just fine, but do the ones with textured coats handle heat okay, I wonder. Are there any health defects associated with the curly coat? I am truly intrigued. I wonder what my husband would say if I said I needed a new buck :-?
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I'll admit I don't know. My rabbitry is temperature-controlled, since I specialize in angoras, so mine never really have to deal with heat.
The only problems I've heard of people encountering with the curls is a tendency in some lines for poor furring on the feet (been struggling with this myself), and in some lines a tendency for the eyelashes to curl down into the eyes instead of away from them (thankfully not present in mine).ID: 45055
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I know regular rex coats are very common, astrex are not, and that is what I had typed. My phone changed it and i didnt catch it. I know several people that are breeding astrex that believe there is a mutation at the rex coat gene that is one of the genes that make good astrex coats. I did not say it was the one and only gene, just that there are a number of people that believe there is an allele there that plays a part. A lot of astrex pop up out of the blue from two regular Rex rabbits, in certain lines, which is where the theory comes from.#28036
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You can't really fault me from responding to what you actually posted instead of what you meant to post. I'm not psychic, despite my best efforts.
If they haven't already, encourage your friends who breed Astrex to join the facebook group. I stepped down as admin of it a while back due to time constraints, and haven't been terribly active recently, but it's a great group for networking and comparing notes.
I will say that almost all of the evidence I've seen assembled casts doubt on the "allele at the rex locus" theory. While the alleles that lead to astrex coats are certainly more common in rex populations relative to other breeds, nothing points to them actually occurring on the rex locus itself, or even being linked to it.
Kind of like how the dilution gene is very, very common in some lines of angora rabbits. Surprise blues and lilacs pop up in litters all the time--this doesn't indicate that the dilute allele shares a locus with the gene for long hair or is in any way linked to the gene for long hair, just that the allele for it is common in those particular angora populations.
As a side note--there is even some doubt that the "curly" alleles in question are more common in rex breeds vs other breeds. It's been proposed that because they are more noticable in a rex coat, and because rex breeders are more concerned with coat quality and texture, a kit with wave or curl to it's coat is just as likely to happen in, say, a dutch, but it's more likely to go unnoticed than it is in a rex litter.
I personally do think the curl genes are more prevalent in rex than other breeds, but it's still worth considering that there might be a biased level of reporting.
At any rate, it's a fascinating trait. I wish there were more labs interested in doing genetic studies on rabbit coat genes. Unfortunately, there's just not as much money in it as there is in dogs or horses.ID: 45055
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I know you replied to what was there, that's why I clarified what I had actually typed. :) I hope I didn't come off snippy, i forget not everyone "gets" how I type.
It's entirely possible my friends have a different set of genetics than what other people have, because from what I understand, theirs seem to breed differently than others in the facebook group (they & i are all members of it). They believe it's the same because it looks the same, but i personally think theirs might actually be different.
It would be cool to get more labs to study things like this. My friend says "if I win the lottery" all the time.#28036 -
It wouldn't be surprising if it were different. After all, look how many different kinds of "rex" gene there are in housecats. I can't tell them apart visually, but genetically they're quite distinct.ID: 45055
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