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- Callisto June 2018
- Cheers June 2018
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- milkyway2001 June 2018
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What is DP?
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I see other talking about DP. Im guessing it untestable? Can someone post a non dp amd a dp please? Also is it hom or is that a unnon as well? Thank
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DP basically makes horses a darker shade however it only has a visual affect horses such as bay or chestnut.
i like to think of it standing as dark patterened even though it doesnt stand for that however it helped me in understanding what it is :)
in order for a horse to be hom DP it has to have two darkening genes (either Ssty or S+)
1055076 k
this is a none sty non DP chestnut
Testing k
this is a hom sty non DP chestnut
Noahs Ark RED
this is a hom sty het DP horse
Black Liver CPrl No Frame
and this is a hom sty hom DP horse
see how it darkens the coat from a very light chestnut to a near black?
however my favourite form of DP is in bays
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no sty no DP
SA Kinda Mia 3G
one sty no dp
Satin Krispy
hom sty no dp (although possibly het)
IV Forgotten
hom sty hom dp
im still quite new to the game (only came back onto the game in december) though so some of my information may be wrong however that is how i view dp :)
edit: oh yes i forgot about chocolate palomino :)) -
DP is dense pheomelanin. It turns red pigment into a darker red pigment. It’s what makes a dark chestnut into a liver chestnut, a dark palomino into a Chocolate.
Like the other genes in the game, it can be recessive, Het dominant or Hom dominant. Like sooty, it is incompletely dominant, meaning two copies are stronger than just one. A “normal” liver chestnut has 3 of 4 darkening genes (2 Sooty and 1 DP or 2DP and 1 Sooty) while a “black” liver (like Freaky Friday RS) has all 4.
If you work on it, you can develop an eye to see DP in other coat colors, primarily the various expressions of agouti. It does not affect black horses because they have no red pigment to darken, but black and black based horses can carry DP and pass it to their red based or bay based offspring.
(There was some debate about silver blacks and whether the ones that look reddish are DP but I never heard if anyone was able to prove anything there)
DP is most easily recognized in chestnut, Palomino and red dun horses. Horses of these colors (possibly also palomino dun?) with 3 or 4 darkening genes are eligible for the Liver breeders club. Golden champagnes just barely express the gene, as do cremellos, so even though they are red based they don’t go in the Liver club. DP Agouti based horses also don’t go in the club, but lots of us breed for DP bay, DP wild bay and DP brown. -
This forum post discusses DP in wild bay
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/29821/dp-in-wild-bays-project#Item_41
This one discusses it in regular bay
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/35673/shades-of-regular-bay#Item_32
And this is Confluences very helpful Ninja Liver Chart
http://hj2.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/51257/the-ninja-liver-chart#Item_8 -
And just a quick correction to milkyway’s post—DP and Sooty are totally different genes in totally different places. A horse can be Hom DP with no sooty. If they are a chestnut, they will just look like a normal dark chestnut, but when you look at their color test results they will be SS instead of SstySsty, which is your tip off. A lot of us will occasionally skim through the Foundation rescue looking for color tested horses that look dark chestnut but don’t have 2 sooty alleles! Easy way to pick up some DP!
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All-be-darn. Now I know. Ill have look for some non sty DP to see if I catch one now. I though only sty or s+ darken their coat. Thank you guys for all the input.
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Hom S no DP
Hom S with DP
Hom Sty
Three girls I recently made. Notice how the middle one is closer in coloration to the bottom one, despite not being sty herself? That's the DP she's hiding.