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Newbie..liver? snowflake?
  • So I am figuring things out, this is my 3rd month in but these two things, I just cant make heads or tails of..snowflake? are these appy's with wee spots instead of larger ones? and liver? I have a couple coming out of another account and I cannot figure out what it making them different...help?

    thanks
  • Reading this might help you out Simplified Genetics Guide

    Basically snowflake is a recessive hidden gene that is related to Appaloosa. It requires at least 1 Lp and 2 recessive snowflake (hidden) genes to be expressed.

    This is exactly from the guide above:
    SS - Sooty (Incomplete dominant)

    Affects both red and black pigments.

    S - no sooty - bright form
    S sty - darkens coat.
    Homozygous causes more darkening than heterozygous.
    May add dapples.
    S+ - sooty plus adds the most darkening.
    Homozygous causes more darkening than heterozygous.
    May add dapples.

    **DP - Dense Pheomelanin (Incomplete dominant)**
    A related hidden gene that affects the red pigment and makes it darker.
    For Liver or Chocolate to express it requires 3 darkening genes,
    any combination of sty/s+ and DP.

    Liver in created horses is usually expressed by having sty/sty and either one or two copies of DP (which is a hidden gene).
    ID: 40723
  • Snowflake is an untestable gene that shows up when homozygous in Appaloosas. It can only be GMTd onto foundations I believe. A homozygous snowflake Appaloosa will be able to be entered into the snowflake appy breeders club, but only homozygous. The tiny little spots are most likely varnish, which is another untestable Appaloosa gene. The varnish, depending on how “severe” it is, will cause a horse to turn white with age. I believe someone has an example of a black Appaloosa that is completely white because of the varnish effect.

    Here is an example of one of my Appaloosas with varnish. You can see the tiny little spots all over the coat where she appears to be “whiting out”.
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    Liver is a combination of a testable gene, Sooty (displayed as Ssty) and an untestable gene Dense Pheomelanin (DP). Three of these 4 “darkening” genes are required to make a red based chestnut or palomino horse either liver for chestnuts, or chocolate for palominos. Other genes, such as red based champagne, can carry DP and will be slightly darker, but their name does not change when they have either 3 or 4 of the genes. If a horse is black based, you will not see a name change when the darkening genes are present (I believe, I do not breed black based horses).

    Hope that helps!
  • One correction to the information above.

    Snowflake is available in the GMT lab on fairly rare occasions. It is not currently on the list there.

    De gustibus non disputandum. "There's no arguing about tastes."

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  • Thanks everyone!

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