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ColorGoodStables · Apr 16, 2018 10:32 AM

In your opinion is it better to have an ExPro mare or an ExPro stud?

I got a couple heard helpers for 1 ExPro create each. I want to use them for my champagne line but can't decide if I should make them into my herd sires or add them to the mare herd.

ElementalStables · Apr 16, 2018 10:46 AM

Depends on what you need for your herd - do you need more studs for your line, or do you have enough already and you just want more mares?

ColorGoodStables · Apr 16, 2018 10:53 AM

I don't have any studs at the moment. I just started the lime this week. I just wasn't sure if ExPro would be more beneficial as a mare or a stallion

Alohomora · Apr 16, 2018 11:01 AM

I get more in house “value” out of a herd sire, but mares seem to carry more monetary value on the sales market. With an ExPro sire, he has the potential to impact up to 50 foals a breeding year. As Elemental Stables pointed out, do you want another stallion? Are your mares good? If you’re super happy with your current studs, you may prefer a mare.
My rule when I can’t decide is that risky gene (frame, splash, etc.) creates tend to become mares, and safe genes are more likely to be stallions.

Maribo · Apr 16, 2018 11:04 AM

That depends on the rest of your herd. An expro is B or red papered (105% breeding ability), while normal creates are C or yellow papered. If you want intact foals (that are not spayed/gelded by Breeding Advice), your best bet is to breed horses of similar quality. The easiest way to do that is to breed C stallions to yellow mares, B stallions to red mares, A stallions to blue mares and *Star stallions to *Gold mares.

Side note: remember that each of the papers have a range, so you can have a bigger chance of intacts when you learn how to gauge a horses ability even more. But for a beginner, the easiest way is to match paperes :)

ColorGoodStables · Apr 16, 2018 11:14 AM

I understand papers and all that. My champagne mares are all regular HH creates and are papered yellow.
Think I'll use the ExPro frame for a mare and the ExPro champagne for a stallion. I'll get a lot of altered babies but the passing ones will be good. I have a few chestnut ExPro mares which I can toss in.

Haltanny · Apr 16, 2018 2:14 PM

I think I have some ExPro Champagne mares that I don't need, I'd let you have them for cost (create + any testing they have), if you are interested. They would most likely be drafts, if that matters.

Lallyhop · Apr 16, 2018 3:00 PM

Also, if you stalk the herd helper section of the forum, ExPros are usually pretty easy to snag. Of course, by "stalk" I mean find some time to kill and refresh the page every few seconds, so I'm only able to do that for half an hour a day or less, but I still manage to grab one ExPro, sometimes two, if that's what I'm looking for. It's the ExPerfs and RS that are much harder to grab because they get snagged within a few seconds.

shad0cat · Apr 16, 2018 4:15 PM

The deciding factor for me is what genes it has. If it's got something that could be lethal then I try to go mare. If it doesn't I like to go stallion because it could be bred to more mares. Certain genes though, like DP , Appy or Pearl that I'm trying to get more of in my lines I'll go stallion even if there are lethal genes present just so I can put it on more foals and make sure it sticks.

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